A Beginner’s Guide to Austrian Economics

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The “Austrian School” of economics grew out of the work of the late 19th and 20th century Vienna economists Carl Menger, Eugen von Bohm-Bawerk, Ludwig von Mises, and Friedrich Hayek (though of course Austrian School economists need not hail from Austria). Austrians focus strongly on the analysis of individual human action. This is known as praxeology, the study of the logical implications of the fact that individuals act with purpose, from which all economic theory can be deduced. Austrians also note the correlation between greater economic freedom and greater political and moral freedom. This in part explains why Austrian economics is the intellectual foundation for libertarianism. Austrians rightly attribute the repeated implosions of mainstream Keynesian economics to the latter’s focus on empirical observations, mathematical models, and statistical analysis.


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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What I am saying is that without property rights for inventions, the copier always gets the profits. Second I am saying that inventions are not motivated by increasing productivity - this is not the same thing as profits.
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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As I said, you let your vocation cloud all your analyses.

    "Proposition 6: Private property in the means of production is a necessary condition for rational economic calculation.

    Economists and social thinkers had long recognized that private ownership provides powerful incentives for the efficient allocation of scarce resources. But those sympathetic to socialism believed that socialism could transcend these incentive problems by changing human nature. Ludwig von Mises demonstrated that even if the assumed change in human nature took place, socialism would fail because of economic planners’ inability to rationally calculate the alternative use of resources. Without private ownership in the means of production, Mises reasoned, there would be no market for the means of production, and therefore no money prices for the means of production. And without money prices reflecting the relative scarcities of the means of production, economic planners would be unable to rationally calculate the alternative use of the means of production.

    Proposition 7: The competitive market is a process of entrepreneurial discovery.

    Many economists see competition as a state of affairs. But the term “competition” invokes an activity. If competition were a state of affairs, the entrepreneur would have no role. But because competition is an activity, the entrepreneur has a huge role as the agent of change who prods and pulls markets in new directions.

    The entrepreneur is alert to unrecognized opportunities for mutual gain. By recognizing opportunities, the entrepreneur earns a profit. The mutual learning from the discovery of gains from exchange moves the market system to a more efficient allocation of resources. Entrepreneurial discovery ensures that a free market moves toward the most efficient use of resources. In addition, the lure of profit continually prods entrepreneurs to seek innovations that increase productive capacity. For the entrepreneur who recognizes the opportunity, today’s imperfections represent tomorrow’s profit. The price system and the market economy are learning devices that guide individuals to discover mutual gains and use scarce resources efficiently."
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  • Posted by $ winterwind 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Um, I disagree with one point. Steve and Steve were working in their garage, true, when they heard about a little company in Utah that was farther along that they were. They flew to Utah, picked Sphere Corporation's best brains [including the Wizard's], and went back to California and "invented" it. Sphere went down with $1M in orders because they couldn't get financing. The bankers just would not believe that anyone would want a computer on his desk.
    Just to set the record straight. and if you do some reading, theft was part of their business model.
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  • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Gosh, khaling... why does your comment remind me of "You didn't build that"?

    At some point is an IP 'invention' of a shipping box for pencils (to enable them to be shipped around the world...) an 'invention' worthy of a patent?

    Sort of like, Why is Disney essentially getting In Perpetuity copyright to Mickey Mouse and ALL derivatives of it.... FOREVER?

    No limits? That pushes my skepticism button.
    Sorry...
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  • Posted by justin_mohr_show 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not sure where your going with that comment but yes you are correct. Inventions cost money and people have to work.
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  • Posted by justin_mohr_show 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's where we differ. I'm saying IP is not a property right like I have been talking about. So that's where we disagree and I'm not going to change your mind on it and you won't change mind so I guess we can agree to disagree.
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  • Posted by EskimoBro 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If you are saying that profits are the only thing that causes inventions to occur than you are contracting your earlier statement about personal computers being created for fun.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So capitalism includes property rights for inventions? This is not the standard Austrian position today.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Then Austrian economics does not apply. It is just power politics, in other words the person with the biggest club.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It cost real money to create inventions and to distribute them. Real people have to work in the real world.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes invention are motivated by profit, but without property rights in inventions it is always cheaper to be a thief.
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  • Posted by EskimoBro 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So what causes these inventions to be created in the first place? If it isn't productivity than what is it? Again let me repeat myself, I do not think all inventions are created through trying to increase productivity.
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  • Posted by justin_mohr_show 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Where are you getting this accounting mentality? People focus on solving problems they face in their day to day life. That's what's great when we all have different experiences. These different experiences allow people to solve problems based on their individual perspective. Getting a bunch of scientists in a room certainly isn't the answer.
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  • Posted by justin_mohr_show 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ok we are talking in circles here. Capitalism is what has got us out of the Malthusian trap. That's the issue boiled down.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But these inventions do not happen without property rights - at least not at a rate that out paces diminishing returns,
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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True, but I said personal computers and I would say the same thing about lasers. If you focus on productivity these inventions, which did increase our productivity would never have been made by an accounting mentality that focused on productivity.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The only way to increase real per capita income is to increase you level of technology. Capitalism properly defined includes property rights for inventions. Without them we would still be in the Malthusian Trap
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  • Posted by justin_mohr_show 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Some Austrians are for anarchy yes, but certainly not all of them. We are libertarians and we think for ourselves. So to put Austrians in one giant group of "Anarchist" is most definitely not accurate.
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  • Posted by justin_mohr_show 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That's not true. While people are "selfishly" inventing to make profit they are also improving productivity. I'm a farmer and I buy the new bigger tractors because it makes me more "productive" I save time and it makes me more efficient so in the end I can make more money.
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  • Posted by justin_mohr_show 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Of course inventions come first! You can't be more productive with a computer until it has actually been created. My point this entire time has been there never needs to be a focus on just inventing new things. Inventions are the result of Capitalism! You're right technology and productivity aren't exactly the same thing but are very close indeed. All I have been pointing out is I think your sole focus on inventions are the key to everything is slightly misplaced. But I think we agree on most things. haha
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  • Posted by justin_mohr_show 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That'a s joke right? Government "protecting" our "property rights." I wish they actually did. Case in point, look at how the value of the dollar has been destroyed since the creation of the FED in 1913. The Dollar has lost 98% of it's value. They have stolen our savings! IP is a little different like it has been said that it is the Government creating monopolies. Take a look into "patented" drugs. The corruption and cronyism for approving drugs gets political, helping friends out and money talks. It's a sick game. Word of advice. Don't expect the Government to protect you. It won't turn out well! haha
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  • Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If by capitalism you mean protecting the property rights of inventors then that may be true, but that is not what the majority of Austrians support. Most Austrians are not for free markets, they are for anarchy. Capitalism is based on property rights.

    People only invent things in significant quantities if they have property rights in their inventions. People invent things to make a profit, not to improve productivity. Focusing on productivity does not lead to inventions.
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