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The moral case for Price Gouging

Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago to Economics
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Nobody likes to pay more for goods and services than they need to, so the title of this piece likely causes you to question my sanity. Never fear, if you read through and follow my reasoning, you will see not only that "price gouging" is moral, but that it actually will lead to greater availability of needed items at the lowest costs.

First, it is necessary to define our term - price gouging. This would be a situation whereby a seller increases the price on goods and services in response to a sudden and unpredictable shortage of said goods and services. We see this typically after a natural disaster such as a tornado, flood, hurricane, snow storm, etc. It is necessary that the situation be relatively sudden and unpredictable, otherwise a shortage would not likely occur, thus removing the ability for the seller to raise their prices since supply would be plentiful.

How do sellers of goods and services set their prices? It may come as a surprise to many that it is not on the basis of what they procured them for with some added profit. While "cost plus" pricing is rampant in governmental operations, in the free market this does not work. A purchaser of a good or service cares not a whit what you paid for it, they only care about the value that such good or service has to them. They will pay as much as they value it for, and no more. If the seller prices their goods at or below the buyer's willingness to purchase, they are likely to make a sale. The lower the price is in relation to the willing purchase price of the buyer, the higher the perceived value and the higher the likelihood of purchase. If they price them higher, the likeliness of selling goes to zero, since the purchaser does not perceive a good value in the purchase.

Thus, the seller does not in fact set the price at all, rather they choose a price based on their perception of the willingness of their potential customers to purchase at varying prices, along with the needed profit to make such business viable. For example, a seller may have an item in which there is one customer who will pay $1,000, once every year. The item costs the seller $100 to procure, so they would make $900 for a year. However, there are 1000 purchasers who would be willing to procure that item if priced at $150, which would net the seller $50,000. So the purchasers cause the price to be set at $150 instead of $1,000. So, the seller can sell one item at a tremendous profit but very low volume, or they can sell a lot at a lower profit, but a net total of a lot more.

There is another factor that also needs to be included, and that is the competition. If a good amount of profit is available, this will undoubtedly lead to others who wish to partake of some of that themselves. Thus, competition will ensue. In order for the new seller to break into the market, they will have to price their offering at or below that of the first seller, otherwise the customers will continue to purchase from the first seller, so long as that seller has sufficient supply to sell. This leads to price competition between the sellers to entice customers to purchase from them instead of the competitor.

So far, I've not discussed anything about price gouging, but having these concepts firmly understood is necessary prior to moving on. Customers set prices based on the value that they perceive of the goods and services that they desire. So long as there is sufficient supply, competitors drive down prices in order to entice customers to purchase from them instead.

What happens when a sudden and unexpected disruption happens? Because it was sudden and unexpected, none of the suppliers were able to stock ahead those goods that their customers will demand. Now there is a shortage of supply, and a demand for those goods. Suddenly the value to the customers increases as the competition switches to being between different customers instead of between different sellers. That customer that was willing to pay $1,000 now has the advantage as they will willingly fork over much more than will other customers. Again, this is the customer setting the price, not the seller, the seller merely is allocating the limited supply to those customers with a higher perception of value for those scarce goods. This is good, as not all customers can be satisfied due to limited supply and a mechanism for allocation must be established.

The question arises, then, why is supply limited? If there were more supply, then more could have been sold, and as we have seen, selling more even when at lower prices often results in a greater net revenue. But there are costs in procuring and stocking inventory of goods. There is the money that must be used to purchase the goods in the first place. This can result either in the loss of interest that could have been gained by keeping the money in the bank instead of spending it to purchase the goods. Or it may more likely be the result of paying interest to the bank for a loan that was used to pay to purchase the goods to be sold. Once the goods are procured, they also must be stored, necessitating some sort of warehouse, at a capital cost if owned, or a rental cost if leased, but in either case there is a cost to hold these goods.

There are also potential costs for obsolescence or spoilage (when newer goods are available, this makes the stored goods less desirable, or they get damaged or lose desirability to the customer due to age). The result is that procuring and holding goods incurs costs that the seller must take into account in determining how much to have and what price will result in satisfactory sales to cover all these costs plus make a profit. Procure too little, and a competitor will sell more and you will not satisfy enough customers. Procure too much, and you will have excessive costs that will make you less profitable.

By legislating that excessive price increases are not permitted, the incentive for the vendor to incur those additional costs is reduced. With less incentive, less of the potentially scarce item is available, thus ensuring its scarcity. Scarcity of needed items results in more people being harmed or enduring conditions that are harsher than otherwise would need to be. By allowing "price gouging" the first time that a shortage occurs some with the scarce goods will make a very good profit. This will entice others to want to participate in that good profit and they will make plans to participate - stock more of the goods or be able to get the goods readily. When the next event occurs that causes a shortage, now there will be more participants to provide those goods. The additional availability will reduce the overall price for all, yet still provide enough profit for those who have taken on the additional risks of the increased availability.

Let's take a very simple example. Electric generators are a rather high cost item with low continual demand but high demand after many natural disasters. The high costs and low demand typically would call for the inventory levels to be kept low. A tornado is a very sudden event and very localized. In an environment where price gouging laws are in place there is no incentive for a business to stock more generators than they would normally sell, so they don't Without any incentive to incur greater costs, the business will not do so.


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  • Posted by Bob44_ 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'll end this also by agreeing that our foreign policy is overly aggressive, But I can't see abandoning our friends and partners when they need a helping hand. I see it as being the same thing that I would do for my family, friends and neighbors. Thanks for the discussion.
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  • Posted by Bob44_ 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    War is a terrible thing. But guess what, we have a volunteer army. I don't want them hurt anymore than you do. But, I have always been willing to kick the crud out of a bully. We were preemptive in WWII and dropped the comb that killed many thousands. How many American lives did it save? Who knows. Sometimes you decide that you must act. Just a few of the patriots took on the British and the tories, but look what it bought, a chance for you and I to have this discussion. It didn't happen because people sat at home and did nothing. That's probably all I have to say on the subject.
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    During the fuel difficulties in the 1970s a gas-station owner in Boston was convicted of selling gas for $1.50 a gallon. His was the only place where you could reliably find gas.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    preppers seem to be driving the costs down;;;
    we got a 10k for $870 a year ago. . check them
    on ebay, and you might even find someone selling
    one from y2k which has never been used!!! -- j

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  • Posted by johnpe1 10 years, 2 months ago
    well done, sir! . government controls mess up the
    productive process and cause waste. . resources
    are allocated according to a bureaucrat's wishes
    instead of customers' wishes. . now, if we could
    just fix this!!! -- j

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  • Posted by Kittyhawk 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was thinking that the customers' later hard feelings and boycotting would be a natural cap on prices in a free market. Thanks for giving a concrete example.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I always thought I had a pretty good vocabulary, but somehow, I'm not getting my point across. Let's do it this way: I DO NOT WANT REGULATION EVEN FOR MEDICINE AND PROCEDURES TO SAVE A LIFE!!! I am talking about the purveyor of those medicines or procedures to exercise compassion, but not to be forced to do so. If such compassion is not forthcoming, the recipient (customer if you will) must either bargain with the seller or get a loan. If neither of those options are available, then the prospective user of those meds or services is out of luck. Further, the reason I bring this up at all, is that I believe that it is possible for us to set up a tradition of looking after one another in order to keep the government out of our lives as much as possible. There are examples of this. There is an religious organization (the name escapes me) that does nothing but go about helping people who have experienced disasters by fixing and reconstructing damaged property. They get in, get the job done before FEMA even arrives on the scene. Everything can be handled better privately with the possible exception of militia and courts. And I'm not all that sure about militia.
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  • Posted by justin_mohr_show 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And I have a show coming out on a topic you might find of interest. I better not say or Robbie will have an article up on Monday before it comes out on Tuesday. haha I'm only playing.
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  • Posted by justin_mohr_show 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Robbie, that's hilarious! Yes, you did beat me to it. Like you, I have been thinking about doing a show on price gouging for some time but I like to wait and tie it in with a current news story to make the point. Well done Robbie. Looks like I will be copying you now. ;)
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  • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, my buddy Justin Mohr has been doing some interesting topics and I wanted to get this out (been thinking about it for awhile) before he beat me to it.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    On this we are going to part company. It is a hard truth, but truth nonetheless that "Life isn't fair." Some good and worthy people aren't going to be able to afford it, and some worthless louts will. That's the same with everything. A lot of really good people don't have a car (see the story recently about the guy in Detroit who's been walking the better part of 27 miles 5 days a week for years to go to work?) and some real scumbags have Mercedes E-class's. Somehow because it's health related suddenly people believe that it's only "fair" and "just" that those goods and services be regulated so as to be available to all.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As shipping becomes more responsive, and economical, I expect more on-line auction sales. It is "true" pricing.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm firmly against laws that prohibit "price gouging." I think that the free-market will take care of supplying what is needed at prices that are acceptable. Gov't meddling only mucks it all up.
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  • Posted by scojohnson 10 years, 2 months ago
    I completely agree. We can take something you see everyday - such as a bumper for a cell phone. If you are willing to 'plan ahead' and buy one on eBay or Amazon, you can get a cheap one for maybe $1.00 including shipping, up to maybe $10.00 for high quality materials & workmanship (I have a beautiful aluminum one that fits my iPhone 6 like a glove that as like $9.50 on Amazon). If you go into a Walmart or any other brick & mortar store, that same item has a convenience factor marked up and it has to earn its place in profit compared to anything else they could have in that shelf slot - so you might pay $20 - $40 for something rather substandard to average in quality. If the store was only going to mark 'everything' up say 50-100% - would that cell phone bumper be worth the effort to make 50 cents to a dollar each on? Or the shipping and unpacking and stacking of them on the shelf to maybe make $20 on an entire box of them? That store costs millions to build and millions a month in labor/maintenance/taxes - of course not.

    Likewise, some things, like sporting goods gear - may actually be quite expensive in the store, but also pretty expensive on wholesale - it tends to be made in the US, and not with child labor in Bangladesh, and the buyer (an American sportsman/woman) is willing to pay up for quality - so there may only be 20% margin in it, while a 'cheap' item wouldn't sell at all, at any price.

    Structured data cabling for buildings is also something that was once a very high level of margin (maybe 40%), but competition and the buyer's willingness to pay has been very successful at wringing every penny out of that business - today's multi-million dollar 'cabling jobs' are frequently done at something in the range of 5-7% margin. Even the waste of not completely using every spool of cable purchased for the job can have the effect of destroying any profit in it.

    Likewise, clothing tends to have a huge margin in it. Most individual pieces are in the range of $3.00 to $5.00 from the manufacturer overseas but might be $100 to $150 on the rack. This is due to many reasons - 'heavy' buyers of clothing in American shopping malls search for the 'deal'. Lets be honest, female teens & 30-somethings spend a lot of money on clothing... they have "Sale" on the brain, so artificially marking something to $100 and always having it on 'sale' at 40-50% off yields a price tag of around $60, which is often still at least a 600% margin. Its simple to analyze, virtually no clothing retailer in the US 'makes' the stuff they sell, but they all pay upwards of $20,000 a month (or much more) in rent for their space in a shopping mall - up to $100,000 a month in some cases. You can't pay for that making $10 on a pair of jeans... Sadly, the only business getting rich in retail is always the owner of the real estate involved... the lion's share of the revenue from each of the stores is going to pay for the real estate, not the staff, the supplier, or even the retailer themselves... its where the name "Black Friday" comes from, its the first day a typical US retailer is 'in the black" after operating at a loss all year.
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  • Posted by justin_mohr_show 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Btw, I don't want to hijack a thread about price gouging with foreign policy so I will end it here. I think we have a foreign policy that is too agressive and if you don't think that causes more enemies than I think you are sadly mistaken. How would you like Chinese military over here with bases? How would it make you feel about the Chinese? After awhile my guess is you would start bad mouthing them and want them to get the heck out of your country. I think a lot of people that hate government in our everyday lives domestically, are hypocrites when it comes to foreign policy. It seems government can do no wrong. Believe me, I once though about foreign policy like you and I believe I was wrong before. I appreciate your perspective and I encourage you to look into what happened to the Roman Empire when they over expanded. If you really want to be unsafe and you want to risk the lives of your family and children within this country then lets keep doing what we're doing. When we experience an economic collapse in this country, how many Americans can we protect from kidnappings and beheadings in other countries then? Not many. We will be worrying about that happening in our own country. We won't have a foreign policy to speak of at that point. So for the sake of the people of this country how about lets contract our empire before we are forced to. I'm not here to argue and try to prove see look I'm right and your wrong and your stupid. I don't think like that and I think you're well intentioned fellow, Bob, just like I am. I hope you will consider what I said and at least question a little bit what's happening with our foreign policy and realize we can't save everybody and what we are doing now is unsustainable. If you actually want to agree with me on some domestic issues check out my podcast when you get the chance. Justin Mohr Show on itunes. Here's a link to listen on your web browser if your at all interested. http://justinmohrshow.libsyn.com/ Bob, I think we agree more than we disagree.
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  • Posted by justin_mohr_show 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well then lets protect Americans here at home. Going over into other countries and looking for terrorists under every bed is not smart and tactically it's going to kill a lot more Americans. So if we continue doing what we are doing more Americans will die. I hope you don't want that either.
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  • Posted by Bob44_ 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wonder if we can sit quietly and say it's their own fault when Americans are being kidnapped and beheaded? I don't think so and neither do most other Americans. Muslim terrorists have vowed to kill all non-believers. I don't think we ought to wait for that to happen. I hope you don't either.
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