How Women Work?

Posted by Rozar 11 years, 5 months ago to Culture
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After reading all of bambi's arguments and women hating I stumbled on this gem.

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  • Posted by BambiB 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And yet, causality of women driving up debt is well-established.

    Consider an experiment you've done 50 times. Each time, B occurs only after A occurs. B ALWAYS occurs immediately after A happens. It is never the case that B happens without A happening first, nor is it the case that B fails to happen proximate to the occurrence of A.
    It doesn't matter where you do the experiment. The experiment gives the same results in Wyoming as it does in Georgia. It doesn't matter when you do the experiment. The same experiment performed at different times in different locations over a period of 50 years yields the same results.

    You can set up the same conditions in side-by-side locations, and in the one where A happens B happens, but where A doesn't happen, B doesn't happen.
    There's a logical connection between A and B. There is direct evidence that A caused B, and A's influence can be directly traced to the occurrence of B.

    A is women getting the vote.
    B is government expanding and running up debt.
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  • Posted by BambiB 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I've said, don't let women vote.

    That's a solution.

    Don't like it?

    Come up with a BETTER solution.
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    Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, I find that when extremists get board they try bullying individuals rather than dealing with issues.

    Again, thanks for yet another fie example. You are really making my point for me.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 11 years, 5 months ago
    Your a bigger person than I am. I couldn’t watch anymore after he mentioned he just back from aroma therapy. The early nomad and gathering cultures were very egalitarian societies. Because of climate and the need to be near a water source, we began to divide up the workload. adding hunting and permanent communities. Women couldn’t take a noisy infant with them as they crept after their prey, and men couldn’t nurse, so men took on the role of hunter as a result.

    If I had to guess here...the workload of building the homes, growing the crops, raising the kids was far greater than heading out for the hunt so gifts were necessary to bribe women to do their part in an an obviously unfair division of labor. *wink*
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    point for knowing the dentist's name. I spend an inordinate amount of time patiently watching you dig further in. when I get bored I have to spice things up
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Except like 'Painless Pole' Waldowski (the dentist in the movie version of Mash) I'm only involved in suicide in YOUR imagination.

    In fact I don't have to get into snotty dig and abuses to make valid points.

    But, your actions demonstrate what I think exemplifies an extremist when they run out of valid arguments. Thanks for so many excellent examples.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    you got lots of rope to hang yourself. how is the theme song to MASH and ad hominem anyway? I was referring to your losing points which you obviously precipitated. That tens to happen in here when people get all irrational
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Merlot, a fireplace, and someone wonderful. Didn't think about you at all until I came back to the computer and discover that I'm suddenly at the center of your narrow little world. Looks kinda sad to me.
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    Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Awwwww, more personal attacks? Sheesh, why not deal with ideas? I get it! Yours are inferior and you need to concentrate on ad hominem garbage. Thanks for another fine example of what is clearly and extremist losing.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Proof that hunts did not happen daily? Sometimes the hunt comes up empty.
    Proof that protecting didn't happen daily? True, a security guard doesn't necessarily stop a burglar every night, but he provides security with his presence every night.

    For most of our existence, there were no fields to tend.
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  • Posted by Rozar 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Where do I find that lol. And you should watch his video it's the same premise but goes more in depth
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    we shall live to fight another day. you are a worthy opponent. I'm enjoying a crisp white wine as I watch Bobo go up in flames tonight. I love a bonfire in the fall! ;)
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    yea, attractive BS. whatever. people like value for value. show me a successful female I'll show you a handsome male and vice versa and everything in between. some make decisions to preserve what they have, others take risks for the future, still others build on value sets. the arguments laid forward in this video are cynical and antithetical to Objectivism. read the tea leaves rozar. humans are rational beings. They respond to incentives, they strive to reach personal goals, some build . If you are hanging around in the builder category you are not buying this video's premise.
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  • Posted by Rozar 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    2. She is getting future security for retirement. And child raising.
    3. I was referring to women receiving things on a personal level. He makes the logical jump between the personal and group. Which if women have a subconscious that feeds them emotions, it would not differentiate the personal and the group. However I don't think I agree with that fully, it seems really flimsy. I'll concede three to you for now.
    1. You are correct for a millenia ago. However in the past few centuries women were the stay at home all the time spouse. Even today there are far more males in big business than women.

    In any case, we have statistics that say a majority of women vote a certain way. Combine that with the fact that girl's are very high on a man's priorities list. A guy wants to be attractive to the girl and wants the girl to be attractive. So when the girl is unconcerned with survival, she has a skewed perspective on what constitutes attractiveness, and males attempt to emulate this style. Pretty boys. This explains the statistics, and why males are starting to sway left more and more. Although I fully concede that just because things happen at the same time doesn't mean one caused the other. I'm very mad at myself because I've forgotten the logical definition for that at the moment lol
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    3. how is it a compliment when you receive something by the use of force. It's not given to *you* it's given to a group who meet an criteria. how is that special?
    2. you make great points here. However, it goes against the idea that the male suitor gets the female by providing her stuff. The woman isn't getting anything in the deal.
    1. actually a fallacy. Men lounge. Hunter/gatherer -makes sense that the hunts did not happen daily-nor the protecting. however, women did have to provide food (gathering/tending fields) for Millennia. yea, they had to take care of the kids too. see, here's the part I don't get. only women are on welfare?
    I like my elk in many ways. steaks, jerky, sausage...get to work
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  • Posted by Rozar 11 years, 5 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'll take a crack at this.
    1. As much as men have used women as beats of burden, men have by necessity done more. Logically if a man and a woman live together, and have a kid, the male will have to provide more labor since the women will not be able to work at her full potential. Added into that is that on average males have a body structure that is more suited to heavy labor. On average. I'd say the majority.
    2. Isn't the dowry coming from the parents of the girl and not the girl herself, as a payment to the male for taking a burden of their hands. I know that sounds horrible and women were treated like property in the past which is a shame, but that's what the dowry was, the parents payment so they didn't have to feed their daughter anymore. The dowry would be bigger if the girl was less desirable right?
    3. I don't think it is in contradiction to the rationality of humans. For one, humans are rational animals but they are still animals. That means trying to get the most reward for the least effort. So while humans have the capacity for rationality, this doesn't mean that all humans rationally think out everything. They take short cuts of they can and assume things are true instead of personally rationalizing it. Which is why we are where we are. And women don't necessarily want free things and support, it is a compliment to them to receive free things and support is a necessity to raising a child.

    How do you like that Elk? :P
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 5 months ago
    Since I am a woman (who should want this for free) I will produce and elucidate a few flaws with his argument. Btw, I generally love his videos).
    Fails in the argument:
    1. throughout History, women have been used as beasts of burden on the whole. The women give men sex and labor for protection and the occasional Big Hunt.
    2. If women expected "free" things-then how come it was women who brought the dowry to a marriage-that is across all cultures I might add.
    3. People are rational animals. Depending on how times change-people value different things. It is nonsense to suggest that *always* women want free things and support. It does not bear up historically and it ignores the rational behavior component.
    Now go bring me a elk
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