What's your first favorite in door sport? Oh... never mind. :) It beats the pants off of trying to talk sense with Robbie.

The answer, based upon the definition of 'sound', is yes. Regardless of whether there is any entity around able to hear it.

You must, however, grant the thesis that any attempt to integrate the supernatural into ones scientific pursuit will likely color the result negatively. Science and the supernatural don't both reside in reality (the latter by definition.)

Maritimus and LS... :)
"debating" with folks like Robbie is what I refer to as 'my second-favorite indoor sport.'
I enjoy the challenge of discovering the point at which the red herrings, lateral arabesques and circular logic begin to fly.
When I get tired of it or bored, I call off the fun and leave the alleged 'conversation.'

I appreciate your feedback. Cheers!

Did I say the back of God...no, I said believers.

Me too!

Hello, plusaf,

I have been down that road with Robbie. It is very frustrating: changes of subject, misleading use of words, circular logic, hidden meanings etc. I gave up. Just for your consideration.
All the best.

lol... thank you.

Like... go auger yourself. lol
I tried to look up apocarp but my computer (who has a mind of it's own) just keeps changing it to apocarpous ovary. I am actually UNable to just look up apocarp... I don't feel very free right now!

This "egalitarianism" about philosophies is just as bad as the socialist one about people. Of course there are good and bad philosophies just as there are good and bad people.

Well, there's no way I can or would argue that last statement... :), but many other such dictators like the ones you listed DID, in fact, use and leverage their countrymen's religious beliefs in order to manipulate them, didn't they? I'm not a history whiz, but I do recall reading things like that, particularly about some of the Russian dictators...

"I'm not going to try to prove/disprove a supreme being to you - you either do so for yourself or not. "

... but _I_ have to prove it? Robbie... stop digging. The hole you've dug is already deep enough, isn't it?

"One of the fallacies [of my] argument is that there is not [a] supreme being....." because it's a fallacy because you said it is?

C'mon, Robbie... all I'm doing here is asking questions and all you're doing is avoiding any attempt to respond with answers.

Which sort of explains why I am an atheist and enjoy asking related Questions so much!

Ok, your turn, again...
:)

I think that Objectivist philosophy and Christian doctrine are incompatible. Thus, you will find it difficult to agree with any serious philosophical arguments and propositions here.

I do not think that anyone here will call you stupid or try deliberately to make you feel "stupid, silly or whatever ...". On the other hand they will try to explain to you why they think differently than you do and try to explain why their philosophy seems to be logically consistent, reason based and deeply anchored in reality of existence. I do not think that would qualify as "propaganda", but to you it may. In that case just stay out. You would avoid what you perceive as putdowns and save time for more rewarding endeavors.

I wish you fair winds in your voyaging.

Cool! Quote? Link? Reference? Wow!

I don't think I've ever tried to define 'reason.'
Do I need to do that here? It seems that, from the common usage of the term here, there's no need to do so!

so is auger. and, as I stopped to read something irrelevant in the dictionary on my way to auger, I will give you the even-more-underused word: apocarp.

I didn't even see any chutzpah.

They need to find a better use of their time then.

Very much into Objectivism. I've read several of AR's non-fiction philosophy books.

Bla bla. Watch the walking dead before you go thinking you know what it's about.

Did you just spit in my general direction?

Your argument blows. These dictators did not rise to power because of a lack of God believers, if anything they got there because of believers. We could say the same about Obama... all that guilt in the voting booths.