and great for tracking undesirables like the IRS did,

slfisher, actually statistics prove there is a high probability that terrorists are certain ages, certain sexes, from certain parts of the world, have recently visited certain parts of the world, certain religions...
how about answering rich's question? why did they make a point of singling out a 14 year old girl who was not acting suspicious, and doesn't fit any of the criteria if profiling were used. that's what seems stupid to me. do not take my comments as a defense of TSA. In the US, this should be handled by the airlines themselves.

Why do we have ID's at all. I doubt you could prove that drivers licenses have any net impact on the accident rate.

Rocky it was never my intention to upset you either and I have to admit I am a bit confused. Is your position that you are for national ID card? or are you upset that you feel conservatives are being unfairly pinned to pushing the national ID card?

Hear hear

hear hear

As long as they can't fly. This is why the Dems didn't want them to have ID, so they couldn't fly.

I LOVE that story :)))

This is horrible. Maybe the passengers standing in line should just start mobing the TSA folks. Every time. After all - the airlines exist to make money and they cannot always shut down every flight. Maybe if they take security in their own hands (visibly armed guards on each flight) we can throw TSA in the dumpster where they belong.

Jan

I'm not screaming "racist," I'm screaming "stupid." Terrorists don't come in only one color, and as soon as we act like they are, that opens up a huge security vulnerability.

One of the most universal acts of any totalitarian regime is to insert the phrase "your papers, please" into the vocabulary.

I spent a month in Poland in 1992, as the country was still shaking off the vestiges of the Warsaw Pact era. It was common for Poles to make a big deal out of saying "Oh, I left my ID at home" or similar in public places. The reason behind it was that a long-standing law requiring that everyone carry identification had just been repealed. Everyone thought it very funny. Sometimes, others would join in, saying "I forgot mine too!" or the like.

I truly wonder if there will be a storming of the bastille.
I once had two hyway patrolmen come up my drive about 1/4 mile long to tell me they wanted to see my license in order to give me a citation because someone saw me on the interstate driving in their opinion erratically. my response was no to their request. when the pursued further I told them I was now going to call my attorney. they then said this could be worked out without paperwork and again asked for the license and agin were told no. they said there was a report so i asked who initiated this and the told me they couldn't devulge the info.
my attorney went to the hyway patrol office and aske for a copy of the report. he knew the clerk for years and told him it was just a phone call.
the point here is that they came on my property when i was in my house and i guess just thought that i would cooperate
government agencies employees will try anything they can with the hope of getting away with what ever. unfortunately for us these civil servants do not have any idea of what they are doing to destroy the country.

Been looking for one that was worth the expense and imperial entanglements for 20+ years. An Atlantean passport is the only one worth having.

This is the sad irony of Objectivist politics.

Police are one of the three core functions of government that Rand held necessary to keeping law and order. The problem: to a cop, everyone who is not a fellow cop is a criminal.

They had that "internal passport" (grazhdanskyi pasport) in Soviet Russia. And more to the point, this reminds me of a failed pilot for what would have been a 1967-season television series titled "Shadow on the Land." The first thing the lead character notices is a set of disputes about travel permits suddenly being required for all domestic travel, not just coast-to-coast.

A libertarian is a conservative who has seen hard leftists take over the government and turn the police into the Secret State Police, or the Committee for State Security, or the Internal Security Forces, or whatever you wish to call it.

TSA is a sham. Another expensive program of the government. Leave security up to the airlines themselves who own the planes !! And would be responsible in courts for the deaths if they didnt stop airline terrorists. Even better, let the Israelis handle airline ssecurity. I cant remember when I heard of an Israeli jet being hijacked....

I read the provision carefully and it clearly requires either a valid passport which is currently electronically scanned every time you cross an international border OR a special ID card. It verifies your name, date of birth, address, SS number and the new ones now include biometric data. When you get a drivers license you had to prove who you were as well. Since it is scanned and attached to federal databases, it now gives the authority to the Feds to access state held information on you. It can be easily attached to other data, are you a registered firearm owner, have you a criminal record. Since as little as 5 years ago it seemed impossible the govt would have access of your private health records, oh wait-THEY DO! it's easy to run o cross check on that as well. As the Judge says in this clip, it starts with the TSA in airports. Easy enough for state troopers to ask for it tomorrow. They tried to to over-reach on passport renewals (the new forms included private information that we were appalled by (and my husband had a security clearance) which included your living history for the past 15 years, every ticket you ever had gotten-it was outrageous, so we renewed earlier than we needed to and there was so much pushback they dropped it. There needs to be pushback on this as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26VOBHvF...

No. My point was he was acting suspiciously and seemed agitated. Instead of questioning him they did the politically correct thing and questioned a white girl. Why not talk to him? Why not walk over and find out why he was so agitated? I am guessing they were afraid someone like you would scream racist.

Correct. I have a neighbor who is not a US citizen, but a permanent green card holder. When he got his Pennsylvania Driver's License, he somehow registered to vote. He has never voted, but he's on the rolls and doesn't know how to get himself off. Apparently, anyone applying for a driver's license can become a registered voter in PA.

The article is not completely factual. The fact is that most state drivers' licenses are compliant with "Real-ID" requirements, and anyone holding a driver's license from those states will not need to get a national ID. By the time the regulation goes into effect, all states are expected to be compliant. The "Real-ID" requirements cause the states to verify identities and produce driver's licenses that are virtually tamper-proof and highly resistant to counterfeiting.

I'm the opposite. People freak out about a national ID, yet are ok with requiring a government-issued license in order to exercise your right to vote?

Here in Idaho, where our Governor originally supported REAL ID and then changed his mind, we passed a bill in 2008 that we would not support REAL ID. Aside from the national ID implications, they are incredibly expensive and have security issues. Estimated cost for Idaho was $40 million. Our Governor said, "For that amount of money, I could buy every Idahoan a passport."

this sort of thing scares me to death. One of the things I've always loved about America is that we didn't have to carry an ID around with us at all times.

srsly? You're afraid of someone looking at a plane while being a laptop because they have brown skin?

When I'm in an airport, I'm typically working on a laptop, a tablet (sometimes two), and a cell phone at once, and yes, I get up to look at the plane. Are you going to be scared of me, too? Or am I ok because I don't have brown skin?

Ditto