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The Kid from Brooklyn did a rant years ago about handing out a bat to each person who's getting on the airliner. It's funny as hell and true. That would do it. That rant should still be on youtube. Enjoy...

while teh people I was talking with supported a national ID card, they did want to limit the scope of info the feds would attach to it. yea right. they were discussing procedural things like past criminal records. they were also paralleling it with firearm registration. which of course, we have already read articles where registration lists were being used to target motorists in I think it was New Jersey? so saying that the feds won't try to take away more of your privacy and that we are just exaggerating, does not test out to history

ORIGIN OF ‘REAL ID’: The enhanced security measures stem from the passage of the REAL ID Act of 2005, a U.S. law enacted by President Bush that states that a Federal agency may not accept state-issued identification cards without complying with a number of enhanced standards of the REAL ID Act.
http://www.policestateusa.com/2015/tsa-t...
That's the "history" of the "Real ID." So, from the Referenced URL if you have a Driver's license that has a Bio-chip you already have a Real-ID and apparently most states except those listed in the article issue Real-ID's. States that are providing "Drivers Licenses" to Illegal's -- may be providing them the "power to vote." Obama's Executive Order which allows Illegal's to obtain legal status which allows them to obtain, among other items a Drivers License, may allow them an "ability to vote" -- even though they should not be allowed to vote.

And all dem dead people have a right to vote Dem.

When conservatives see no problem with this I am in great fear for our country.

This also tells me that these conservatives have totally forsaken the Constitution and the spirit of this great country.

Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”
― Benjamin Franklin

AUTHOR: Benjamin Franklin (1706–90)
QUOTATION: “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”

“A Republic, if you can keep it.”
ATTRIBUTION: The response is attributed to BENJAMIN FRANKLIN—at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation—in the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention.

McHenry’s notes were first published in The American Historical Review, vol. 11, 1906, and the anecdote on p. 618 reads: “A lady asked Dr. Franklin Well Doctor what have we got a republic or a monarchy. A republic replied the Doctor if you can keep it.” When McHenry’s notes were included in The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, ed. Max Farrand, vol. 3, appendix A, p. 85 (1911, reprinted 1934), a footnote stated that the date this anecdote was written is uncertain.

I fear our Republic has been lost, starting with Woodrow Wilson.

Alexander Fraser Tytler, a European historian published The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic. In his publication, Tytler reported that from his research he had determined the following:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising them the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over a loss of fiscal responsibility, always followed by a dictatorship. The average of the world's great civilizations before they decline has been 200 years. These nations have progressed in this sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith,
From spiritual faith to great courage,
From courage to liberty,
From liberty to abundance,
From abundance to selfishness,
From selfishness to complacency,
From complacency to apathy,
From apathy to dependency,
From dependency back again to bondage."

We are at the stage of dependency now with more than 50% of this nation on some form of Government welfare. Conservatives giving up more freedoms for perceived security is placing us back in Bondage to the Government, and Tyrannical dictators.

Use a private airport and a private flight. Government facilities and government regulated services are a feeding ground for the nanny state.

If they claim to be a conservative and can't see the problem in this, they haven't really thought about the problem enough to even call themselves conservatives, IMHO. More-like brain-washed sheeple (it does go both ways).

One can not maintain freedom without thoughtful contemplation of proposed laws and the studious application of history. That is what made the Constitutional Conventions so valuable is that you had men there who were students of history and who were determined not to duplicate the mistakes of the past. I would even go so far as to label them real political scientists, because they were actually studying and formulating how government should work from examining the evidence of what had not.

"Basically this goes back to the base issue of national ID you want a national ID so you can fly to Disneyworld (hopefully measle free) BUT we are upset that you required an ID check at a voting booth? "

+10 if I could. The rank hypocrisy...

You can count me in. I'm against any kind of national ID (except passports explicitly for the purpose of FOREIGN travel). I'm against Federal government expansion of any kind.

If you really want to go after the Christian conservatives and get them on your side, just tell them that the Real ID Act is in reality the mandatory application of the sign of the Beast (666). That'll get their goats ;)

What you really need to do is ask these so-called conservatives if they align more with the Republican party or the Tea Party. That will give away where they stand.

I am too busy with the tyranny of the urgent!

I consider myself a Tea Party Conservative, and I have a real problem with constrictions on my freedom. And I think that the majority of Conservatives got fed a lie with the so-called Patriot Act. There was stuff in there that was used as justification for all the rest - a smokescreen.

I agree with you that the airlines ought to be responsible for their own screening and that if they were smart, they'd train their screeners just like the Israelis.

It's already there. In the comment section there was a veiled conversation discussing intl travel. The author of the article said that these changes would be lightening fast in 2015 and expats should avoid coming back into the states. I took that to mean get a second passport.

KHalling I appreciate your post and enjoy the thought provoking arguments made. Please read my commentary as they are based in law. Which can be changed but really not debated. The passport card is a good and easily verifed document. designed to ease traffic at a border and cut down on verbal false claims to US Citizenship. (the result was now we have an increase indocumented false claims meaning docs obtained by fraud, thats a slippery slope for any type of enforcement agency for sure) But keep posting I will keep reading and if we had a vote him to a "red tag" admin guy you have my vote sir, agree with you, disagree with you love you or hate you, you do bring the debate on so THANK you for your insights.

My goodness, folks, can't you just get used to being slaves and learn to be happy with whatever the good government says you are entitled to?

Yes and no, on the subject of immigration the base of the Law assumes a lawful entry which is why Immigration officers do not randomly stop people. But on the rare occasion it does happen there is more evidence than the I have a hunch check.

The issue is do we want to give the OJT trained TSA agent the Authority to check the legal status of persons traveling domestically? My answer is NO, because they can barely keep the lines moving now can you imagine the amount of time needed if they added the so where were you born and of what country are you a citizen of line of questioning?

The problem is when we merged the various departments under one Customs and Border Protection agency they took on so many missions that they are now incapable really of doing any of them with any level of skill.

Federally approved is a well no not so much, but the privacy issue will come ino affect when you have to put statements on the license which identifies the person as NOT being a Citizen or a lawful resident of the US now the state is complicit with aiding and abbetting any anyone who accepts the ID for the cashing of a paycheck is also guilty. This truly can become an out of control debate.

But I agree with you this truely is a slippery slope.

I had my own solution or the islamic terrorist problem.

Step 1 - recover all airline seats in pig skin
Step 2 - give every other passenger a charged stun gun - excluding any the crew considers suspicious looking.

Not only could that put a quick stop to terrorists, but it would do WONDERS for manners on aircraft :P

OK this is not a big brother thing, the passport card was created for use on land borders and cruise ships. It frees up persons from carrying birth certificates as proof and has gone a long way to eliminate fraud at the border.

One of the issues was that foriengers could enter the US either with an Alien registration card, or their Entry visa card BCC Border Crossing card also known as a BBCC which makes it an all around entry document. (note to use the BBCC at an airport it MUST be accompanied with a valid passport. ALL persons entering at an Airport with the exception of a LPR Lawful Permanent Resident MUST have a valid passport.

Will this fly? No because the TSA does not have the authority to check a persons immigration status and we barely have enough staff to keep our border open let alone check domestic travel.

Basically this goes back to the base issue of national ID you want a national ID so you can fly to Disneyworld (hopefully measle free) BUT we are upset that you required an ID check at a voting booth?

So other then bad press for the all to deserving TSA. This will happen right after I win the tonights Powerball lottery. (and yes I do have one of these cards and I do carry it with me)

On the subject of the TSA they are getting better both Orlando and La Vegas TSA are amazingly polite and effecient. IAH Houston Texas well not so much! (George Bush Airport, go figure?) I'd rather drive to Dallas.

Papers Please. I need to see your papers... Your papers are NOT in order. You are under arrest!!!!

They aren't conservatives. They are brainwashed to be neo fascists who claim to be conservatives because they haven't a clue. They are as bad as Democrats claiming to be "liberal". They just stole that previously admirable term to nullify the real traditional liberals. Same for the disgusting vermin that control the GOP.

That would be racist!

Deadline for Atlantis. We better get busy. Now.

Neocons aren't Objectivists.

But don't you DARE ask for identification at the polling booth!