When I have to go somewhere it is for business - so there is little choice. I am glad you were able to shrug TSA!

Jan

ChuckyBob, you should come in here more often and make more comments...and posts. :)

I haven't read any of theirs so I do not know.

Oh good grief, Rocky! Are you the front man for all Conservatives? Why take such offense?

troll

You buy into the nonsense that makes statism possible. You can't see that people who are not failing to build an organization, in other words not gone Galt bc the world doesn't appreciate their greatness, are manipulating you with a simplistic narrative.

Voting is participation in government itself. It makes sense for it to require government ID even if nothing else does.

I wish it could happen, but our country's Bastille is at Guantanamo.

I'm doing my part by never flying.

You could probably make a case the other way DB. The unlicensed just might exercise more care than the licensed distracted drivers that care more about what is on their cell phone than in front of the windshield.

I will be flying next week. I will baaaa baaaa baaas as I do a 2 handed salute going through the scanner. I wonder if they will pat down my left knee this time since they did my right one last time.

many states are now requiring biometric data. http://blog.motorists.org/motorists-must...
we have a major client who works in the biometric security area. his customer is the federal govt

You voted for Obama - what a bunch of nonsense.

"I have to align with people. ...The Patriot Act was an act of treason. that's "so what"
You're saying the same thing I'm saying. You align with *people* who support liberty. You don't find the senator who was most opposed to the Patriot Act (Russ Feingold) and support his entire party.

There we have it Gulchers; either Fascism or New Atlantis.

Truth,

Or Franklin's "Those people who endeavor to obtain security by giving up a little freedom, will get neither" and deserve neither.

I prefer Thomas Jefferson's view: "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."

what actually happened to me (not mamemma's example) was I presented the article. I then received comments which were favorable for a National ID. the comments drifted into a surreal (my POV) discussion about whether your criminal records should be attached to the card (remember the card was supposed to start as a way of verifying birth certificates). I took issue with the cavalier way one of my liberties was being thrown under the bus was happening in the discussion. that brought a response of trashing the article calling it false, misleading, exaggerated. that's when I came back in and referenced examples of how these programs escalate and then why did an entire population of jews calmly agree with an entire German population to sew stars on their clothing. and that was that. one poster flew into a rage, moderation was called in and the decision was I had used Godwin's Law and ruined a perfectly interesting conversation. not much more was said after that. I posted supporting documentation for the article's veracity. no one else commented. post done. What I should have added was the point that the article lead with Nazi Germany-in that national IDs are singularly rare. and the modern examples are Nazi Germany and Cold War Russia.

The sad thing is so-called Godwin;s law is named after an anarcho-socialist. Why anyone would want to propagate his nonsense is beyond me. It is clearly an attempt to stifle debate and divert the conversation from the logic of the argument.

United Socialist States of America - USSA

I know enough illegals that I find such beliefs hilarious. Aside from their presence here (which is not a continuing crime, just one when they came in), illegals are more law abiding and consume less welfare spending than citizens. The numbers bear this out. And of course, those who intend to become legal via "anchor babies" (which is almost all of them) pay their taxes, too.

Conservative enthusiasm for enforcing immigration laws is nothing but prejudice.

That's the Motor Voter law. Welfare departments now do the same thing -- and they're forbidden from excluding noncitizens or even illegals.

Of course that doesn't mean non-citizens are supposed to be allowed to vote -- just that they're likely to be given the opportunity anyway.