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Can a dedicated member of the Gulch support Obama?

Posted by mdk2608 10 years, 2 months ago to Philosophy
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Just wanted to solicit comments and feedback for us to think about.


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  • Posted by Robbie53024 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, in the novel you will find that Eddie was left to nothingness. As the representative of the competent but not "heroic" AR seemed to deride Eddie, leaving him to seemingly perish at the end.

    As a self-confessed "Eddie" I find this disappointing. I'm no titan of industry. I'm competent and provide value for my employer, similar to Eddie. Yet, in the vision of AR, I am not worthy of entrance to the Gulch. John A wanted to correct this in the movie, but it came across as an afterthought. There are many of us who are Eddie's. We count and matter.
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  • Posted by sumitch 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think that when Allahbama talked to him face to face for the first time is when we got the big clue about "We have to share the wealth".
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  • Posted by sumitch 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    With the insults to BiBi and obvious hatred of Israel (Muslim training in Indonesia perhaps?) I can't come up why so many Jews voted for him. It's a conundrum for me. Israel is our only ally in that region and even if they will always do what's best for them regardless of our position, I can't blame them. They are surrounded by hostile nations. Plus Isis has them in their sites and Iran is just waiting for the day they can send a nuke to them.

    Iraq might want to think long and hard about that though. Israel has a philosophy of two eyes for an eye and I believe that they have more nukes that Iran will have.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Much better.

    By the way: I did submit a question on whether the producers shortchanged us on AS3 by relegating Eddie Willers to a mere footnote: Ragnar had him picked up (where?!?) after they rescued John Galt.
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  • Posted by plusaf 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Tem, my comment should have been in the unknown <ironic> font. I meant that the Long Night as you called it, might be the best possible future outcome for us all, given the crap that our Fearless Leader is shoveling at us.

    In no way did I mean to imply that I LIKED that scenario or preferred it... but that in its likely inevitability, it might be the Best We Should Expect.

    Better, now?
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  • Posted by sumitch 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I do hear that she tips the bottle now and then and frequently. You may have uncovered her secret.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    +1 Thank you for comments. I used the word "dedicated" purposely. I loved your comments about Israel and the slap in the face he gives to the only country in the region that is an true friend and free. His position is revealing.
    Finally your Hitler anology is a good one. Actually in 1933 there were some Jews who supported Hitler. Many were in denial and thought that Hitler was referring to the Jews of lower society and some agreed that things needed to be "cleaned up" a little. Only until he started to round up Jews who fought for Germany in WWI and were business owners and contributing members of society like themselves did they fully understand the evil that was about to come and that Hitler's policies included them. By then it was too late and their fate was sealed. Therefore a dedicated Jew probably would not have supported Hitler because they had better vision to assess the situation where as the casual Jew ( Possibly only by blood or name) might remain in denial thinking that is it others who are at risk. Either way its a interesting trying to think about it in hindsight. The parallels to todays world are ever-present and should be understood my more. I enjoyed reading your comments.
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  • Posted by Rex_Little 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree, and I anticipated that point. Go back to my original post, and you'll see that I limited the definition to Presidents who were ELECTED in 2000 (2001 if you like) or later.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Are you suggesting Obama supports some Objectivist principles?"
    I believe so. I don't know him, even though other people, and I don't follow policy news close enough to evaluate every decision he makes. I had a lot more Hopes of Change six years ago. I'm much less concerned about the merits of particular politicians than the trends toward more presidential powers, more gov't intrusiveness, more cultural acceptance of militarized approaches to problems, and more acceptance of the gov't managing basic life skills for the middle class. Maybe you think President Obama has accellerated these problems. I don't think so, but you probably agree they existed before him and they're getting worse. Amazing technologies are creating new ways for people to create wealth and share their ideas, which increases personal liberity, but at the same time we're trending toward turning liberties over to the gov't.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 2 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I can see how you would not vote for McLame or Romney. However, how could you vote for Obama a second time and not be a socialist? Yes, socialism is absurd. I sincerely hope that you can change, CG. Unlike most of the zombies who voted for President Zero, I still hold hope out for you. Obama is an amalgam of Ellsworth Toohey and Mr. Thompson. He could not be more antithetical to Ayn Rand values.
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