While I respect your optimistic opinion, I think it more likely that the state continues to accumulate big data on your association until they have enough to raid all of the "economic terrorists known as objectivists." The remaining members of the association go on being treated as serfs forever. That is no more a solution than this Gulch.

A geographically defined Galt's Gulch seems overwhelmingly unrealistic in today's world. What is much more achievable is a GG-oriented association of individuals (dare I say society or community?) without regard to geographic boundaries. With this type of association, you steer your business and social relationships toward those who share your values. The extent of relationships and transactions that can take place in that paradigm are limited only by your creative thought process. The practicality, functionality and satisfaction of such an arrangement would seem to require a certain "critical mass." I'm not sure what that number is in a given locality, but likely would vary by location and characteristics of individuals involved.

That is not technically so. It would be very difficult to nuke all tech. It is not that hard to guard tech caches against such.

Personally, I doubt very much I would want to live in a world without today's technology. To have to do that would in fact mean billions of human fatalities quite quickly. I would prefer forward positive visioning and efforts rather than such dark visions much less thinking perhaps it is "needed".

If there is a Midas Mulligan with a huge bankroll, I could be be the Purchasing Agent for the infrastructure components and deliver all the items aboard my Q-Ship to Pitcarin Isl. Then all is needed is the crew and some basic earthmoving equipment. Any Amazon orders could be done aboard ship via satelite out at away from the island. Then delivered to the island via stealth drone. If I say so myself, this is turning into a pretty good story.

Less than 1/2 of 1% of land in Alaska is privately owned. The land is split between the Federal government (including the National Park Service and US Fish & Wildlife Service), the state, and the native corporations (Indian tribes).

You don't give up anything until you have to. Many of us have already left. You just find a better place to go. Maybe you want a place with no property taxes. One you can afford, with water and land that will grow enough food to feed you. Maybe it's not perfect but it's better. Don't wait. Have something planned. Maybe you can start a Gulch. The people in the Gulch were hiding and going back. It might be hard to do what's being discussed, like buying an island, maybe not. Just get a group to locate in the same area. That's what I did and it's great.

I'd give up Amazon in a minute.
But I wouldn't have to give up water because I am sure that among those brilliant people in the Gulch that there would be great minds that would be able to create a water system.

I personally grew up in the fifties and although we had all the modern conveniences of that time I could easily give up all of it now. I live on a small farm and have a backup hand pump well and a woodstove with 5 acres of woods and although I like all the technology I could easily give it up immediately if it would possible to live in a world without altruism and politicians and lawyers! My only problem would be to find food for my animals without a "grain store" nearby.

Now that the authorities have the internet, a great deal of technology will be sacrificed for us, whether it's intended or not. That's the nature of the consumption beast. Eventually, though, the only thing left for it to consume will be itself. I hope I'm in the right state of mind to consider how to live when money has no more value.

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If we have an EMP All tech of today will be useless. It will be fried. No modern cars even Will function. I'll keep my 1986 Forerunner. Good luck.

"buy things with gold or a gold backed new currency" - or barter.

We don't do sacrifice. What is the matter with you? :)

You don't roll back to less capable technology and times. That would be insane. The tech of today is what enables a high quality gulch to be remotely possible.

Its harder than it seems to be independent like that on ones own. First of all, the whole farm thing requires not only growing things in a garden, but probably also having animals that you feed, take care of, and butcher. Defense against your neighbors would also be an issue- especially since there are so many socialist leaning people out there who would want your stuff to be available to share with the people in the local town who were in "need". I think the idea of hiding in plain sight is probably more practical. Trade with like minded people using technology to link them together. Using precious metal-backed medium of exchange to buy/sell from like minded people unknown to the government entities. People might call it a cult, but one would be quiet about it and only deal with people who had been checked out and were indeed freedom loving.

Getting a couple of our passports updated at this time. I am rethinking that car purchase, starting to think more in terms of logistics... If it happens it will be within the next year or two. Weighing all options.

Were contacted last night by some close families regarding land in Peru, going in together.

Nothing says you cannot start smaller and grow from there.

The biggest break you would likely be able to get in the US would be on the tax front for a business center nucleus. And depending on the break that could be the difference between doable and not.

The way to prepare for the collapse of the dollar is to accumulate at least some wealth in forms that don't become worthless when the dollar (and euro) do.

There was another thread about doing this with precious metals or gems, but that's not really necessary and probably not especially helpful. What I'd rather have when the crisis hits is a paid-for but modest-looking home, in some rural place unlikely to draw looters -- and with a farmstead that can feed my family, and hopefully some friends, without any need for a functioning economy. Then as long as looters don't set up a government nearby that I can't defend myself from, I'll be fine.

This is legal, but discrimination laws would be abused to prevent it from working. I recall that religious groups have tried to create proprietary communities and have not been allowed.

To me, a major part of Going Galt would be getting to keep what I'd earned. Thus I would not willingly sacrifice anything I could bring with me.

Staying connected to the rest of the world would be an issue, depending on how important it was that the Gulch stay hidden. A community hidden like the one in the book would probably need to ban traceable connections of any kind. On the other hand, in a successful new country or seasteading, nobody would need to hide unless they were wanted in some other country (or planned on engaging in activities illegal there, as for instance Ragnar D).

Believe it or not, you have hit on something that has happened. Pig farmers in Nebraska have leased them for raising their pigs. They are clean, comfortable and climate controlled. Also easy to clean.

I agree with you philosophically. But I do not think that we are there technologically. (I have been following Miguel Alcubierre's work for a decade or more - since I found out about it. Dr White at NASA has made a mod to Alcubierre's theorum that requires far less energy and is experimenting with micro jumps.) Going to a different planet bypasses the two big problems of making a Gulch: physical security from attack by a nation (if you take over an atoll or some such) or immunity from repressive laws (if you form a Gulch within and existing country).

I wish we could.

Jan

I am neither a warmist nor an icer, but of the two I think that the icers have an edge insofar as being scary is concerned. If you gather somewhere that the weather routinely kills people you are introducing an additional vulnerability into the Gulch.

Jan

maybe buying one of those decommissioned missile silos underground. You could do pretty much what you wanted without attracting attention.

Sounds interesting. Is there a DVD of it? It seems it was around in movie theaters in 2014, but not anymore.