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So Who Keeps Electing These People?

Posted by SaltyDog 10 years, 1 month ago to Politics
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I think that future historians will look at the record and point to our current era and say, "This is where the Great Experiment in government failed".

I pray that I'm wrong.


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  • Posted by DeanStriker 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    While I certain agree with the bastardization, by those and many others, it all goes back to the beginning. Again I refer to my
    http://no-ruler.net/3460/failures-of-the...
    who created little other than yet another GOVERNment of Force to which all of us are Subjects/Slaves without our consent, which questionable consent may have been obtained by 1789, but cannot morally or legally applied to those who did not consent, nor to anyone born afterward.

    Is not this what Ayn Rand was all about?

    So again I ask how "republic" made much difference. Semantics is a bitch, isn't it?
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Exactly the problem today, and amazingly, it is almost invariably something THEY want us to do, that THEY do not have to do. It is always the "We know best whats good for you" philosophy, which ties right in with tyrannical, oppressive government.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Indeed...It is sad that a vicious communist dictator nailed current political theory 50 years from the grave....
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    The history of the Founders is well understood. Look back to the prosperity of America particularly during the late 1800's as to what difference it made. The Founders did not create a government of force. Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson and their successors bastardized it.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Stalin once said something to the effect that it doesn't matter who votes. It doesn't matter who they vote for. What matters is who counts the votes.

    It wouldn't take much to convince me that Rahm might hold something very much like that as a core belief.
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Yep, if not the Obamanation, then the HillaryCrack will do it. As long as the Empires voting system is compromised by fraud, money, special interests, fraud, more money, and hidden agendas, voting cannot be trusted for anything. Lies built on lies to the point truth is just a fiction that is "Out There".
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  • Posted by $ nickursis 10 years, 1 month ago
    Easy:
    1. Supreme Court: Not elected here in the Empire, which is no loss either way.
    2. President: Bought by the special interests with the most money (Soros, Big Businesses (all allowed to pay for play by our appointed kommisars in the Supreme Court))
    3. Congress: Repeat number 2, add in the huge amount of voter fraud (which can be added to number 2), rigged elections (remember the voting machine video that always came up Democrat, even when Republican selected?).

    The most important part in the story:

    "Just 1 in 10 independents expressed a lot of confidence in the presidency in 2014."
    Those are the only people left who should be allowed to vote.
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  • Posted by term2 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    I would be ok with Neva as it is seceding from the usa. We could live off tourism and mining and be free at last. Freedom would flock here. We could have our own money and banking secrecy and do just fine
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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 10 years, 1 month ago
    The simple and most obvious answer to who keeps electing these people is... useful idiots.
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  • Posted by Flootus5 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Agreed upon the Article V thing being pretty scary.

    Your second point raises quite an interesting point of discussion. I am thoroughly familiar with the point of view of absolute freedom through anarchy (a poor choice of word application). Where is the balance point of accepting to live under a rational Rule of Law that is consistently applied (unlike today's chaos), and retaining the sovereign man principle and the right to pull out altogether? A tough one to evaluate, but worthy of attention. Probably worthy of a whole new post.
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  • Posted by Flootus5 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Haha! Being a Nevadan and being a precious metals mining professional, I have always tongue in cheek wise advocated that Nevada secede from the nation, all the while talking Northern California (I mean real North California) into the same from the rest of California and the nation, join together and create a new entity. That way said entity would have all the mining resources of Nevada, all the geothermal resources, all the timber and water of N CA., seaports, and then re-open the Carson City mint and issue real money coinage from the prolific gold and silver production in Nevada and call it good. Oh, and to grease the deal we would give Clark County to S Cal in order to get rid of those idiots distorting our demographics.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    Okay, I think I just changed my stance. I was just watching NewMax interviewing Dick Morris author of Power Grab and I'm beginning to think that BHO is really trying to create a one party state. Apparently he has 21 states to change their election laws to by-pass the Electoral College so those states can go by pop vote depending which way the poling goes. Morris presents a compelling case that BHO wants control our very lives from the Internet to gun owners.
    I wonder if the rest of the Gulcher's see this as a plausible scenario?
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  • Posted by 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    In principle I would agree. Unfortunately they can't get an election without large doses of fraud even with the electoral college safeguards. Can you imagine for a moment what popular vote numbers would look like from a place like, say, Illinois? The final tally would be ready two years before the election!
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  • Posted by DeanStriker 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    True enough, but do they have the power of Force, as a general principle? I'd say that's government, every time! It's always the source of misery.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    It isn't about what the Forefathers did or didn't do.It's all about what you and I failed to do. They provided the mechanism.Not their fault the current generations failed to use it.
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  • Posted by term2 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    there are a lot of religious zealots out there who want to control us citizens.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    How it failed is easy. Too many barbie couch potatoes nowhere near enough responsible citizens. They forefathers also gave you the right to amend anything. But voting is soooooooo haaaaAAAARRRDDD and Comrade Clinton has such a cute butt! Which one? Cheek or Clinton?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years, 1 month ago
    insert 'finally' in front of failed. The nice thing about a successful left wing fascist socialist revolution is it leads to a counter-revolution. What if they gave a street theater election Nobody came dressed as None Of The Above?
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 10 years, 1 month ago
    I would like to see the Electoral College done away with and go to popular vote. Each state should be responsible for their citizens voting. If the country had this set-up maybe more people would vote in Federal Elections.
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  • Posted by DeanStriker 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    @term2 -- The only possible reason for drugs and prostitution being ILlegal (along with a myriad of other things) is because we little-people, aka Subjects and Slaves, have had yet another Government forced upon us -- with whose "consent"?
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  • Posted by DeanStriker 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    @flootus5 -- Well, I wish the Article V Convention to come out well, but it scares the hell out of me, because the collectivist-progressive-types seem most likely to somehow take over in that convention, just as they now control America. Things are most likely to end up even worse than they do already.

    As to the other, I've written many articles which perhaps you'll appreciate my sentiment more once you get the picture. It's quite impossible to me to even imagine a libertarian/objectivist being rationally able to accept being Ruled!

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  • Posted by term2 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    You can see how far the south got when THEY wanted to secede. I think Nevada should secede and could do well if it legalized marijuana and prostitution. This is kind of a wild west state anyway, and I would vote for it.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years, 1 month ago in reply to this comment.
    No, it means using your brain instead of your feelings and voting only for someone who is worthy and has proven competence. That eliminates the DemRep candidates and leaves the ones with principles.
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