Objectivist Bad Guys?
Posted by Zero 11 years, 4 months ago to Entertainment
I was kinda harsh on Hiraghm the other day with his THREE DAYS OF A CONDOR post, so figured I'd stick my neck out with one of my favorites.
Frank, the titular Thief, is just about as close to an Objectivist as I've found in movie bad guys.
(If only he stole from the state instead of the private sector. Of course Ragnar not only stole from the state but he gave the money back to those it was taken from. Big difference!)
Anyway, one cool thing about this show, it reminds you that the distance between Objectivism and the average man is less than you might think. Frank makes a plan for his life and pursues it with competence and integrity. That really resonates with the viewer.
If you haven't seen it, I'm pretty sure it's on Netflix.
So, does anyone remember this one? What did you think? Thumbs up? Down? Meh?
Frank, the titular Thief, is just about as close to an Objectivist as I've found in movie bad guys.
(If only he stole from the state instead of the private sector. Of course Ragnar not only stole from the state but he gave the money back to those it was taken from. Big difference!)
Anyway, one cool thing about this show, it reminds you that the distance between Objectivism and the average man is less than you might think. Frank makes a plan for his life and pursues it with competence and integrity. That really resonates with the viewer.
If you haven't seen it, I'm pretty sure it's on Netflix.
So, does anyone remember this one? What did you think? Thumbs up? Down? Meh?
And happy New Year.
merry christmas, lestroy
Of course we all have a learning curve and mine has been a lot longer than I would have liked. That's why I was making the point that my own worst behavior has been when I have violated my principles as an Objectivist. If I had learned earlier that I will always pay a high price for that behavior it would have been a lot better for me.
I just thought I was being clever - and following up the "Three Days of the Condor" post with some better "bad guys."
But I take the point. Perhaps some "good guys" are due some recognition.
If you are talking about this post-zero and I disagree on objectivists as a bad guy. Objectivism is about romantic heroes as AR formulated her philosophy in writing her fiction. It is not in the romantic tradition for me to go looking for the bad boy. Objectivists are portrayed wrongly as bad guys too much already in books and film. I like to focus on what one should strive for in life.
I really should have come up with a better title for the post.
More accurately- maybe something like - Rational Bad Guys an Objectivist might like.
Well, something like that.
But, no, an unrepentant thief would seem to be precluded from the club.
Of course we all make little mistakes that have little or no consequences like forgetting to turn the stove down (I guess that could have a pretty big consequence!). The kind of "mistake" in the context of the discussion is where one has made a breach principle in terms of our beliefs as Objectivists. Are those really mistakes? In other words, is it legitimate to say it's just a mistake if one has evaded and thereby allowed himself to do something unethical or dishonest? If I introspect about my own instances of dishonesty it was always because I allowed myself to evade so I can't minimize it by calling it a mistake.
let us have it! ;)
"Even if Objectivism could be considered "a movement" there would have to be a lot move people involved."
did you not intend it to be a negative statement? I read it as such
BTW, you did bring up something for me when you said "people make mistakes". I want to discuss that with you but I have to think on it first. I'll respond later today.
Few of us get it all right all the time. Writers and story tellers too.
When you look for excellence you find it all around you.
When you seek perfection you are usually disappointed.
I liked Rollerball too, And I'm with you about James Caan in general. I don't know what his personal philosophy is but he always seems like half-way one of us.
As for Jon E at the end - yeah, probably not good. For every successful revolution there are thousands simply shot where they stand.
1.You are right in correcting me for calling Objectivism a movement.
2. I won't give you examples because that would be divulging personal information so rife is too extreme a word to use. I do have enough examples to believe that it is very common.
3. I've never done this before. It's fun. Thanks for your input.
Most leftists are good people, but some are butt heads.
Most _____ are decent people, some are buttheads.
We're not immune from the basic rules of life.
Not that you've said it - or even implied - but just to have it said - It is OK to like gritty action movies. It doesn't make you a lesser being.
Objectivists of all people understand you contract and associate with individuals, so I completely agree with your last statement.
"Perhaps you need to be more careful because the movement is rife with rationalists who haven't done any "inner work" to understand what is driving them"
wow this is a loaded statement. Care to cite some examples or evidence of this?
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