you no longer can hold your own values in America

Posted by MaxCasey 11 years, 4 months ago to News
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you are no longer able to chose to exercise your values in America. You now run the risk of being forced to become a hypocrite by the government. Whether you agree with gay marriage or not, this baker should not be forced to work for people he chooses not too.


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  • Posted by teri-amborn 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't think that the Christian bakers are "intolerant". If Christians were "intolerant" they would be aggressive.
    "Intolerance" is what Islamists have for everyone else. They don't accept that others disagree with them AT ALL and the net result is your and my death.
    That's aggressive ... and the ultimate evil.
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Awwww Hiraghm, slippery slope arguments just aren't valid. The "domino" effect didn't occur when 'Nam fell.

    BTW, I don't care if a trigger fingernail has polish on it (boy or girl). The important thing is the bullet goes where it's supposed to go.

    I find it absolutely hilarious that a big tough Army guy is gonna worry about another seeing his pee pee. What wimps those homophobes must be.

    Since you don't know where gay marriage will lead why do you oppose it? Won't your god make it right? Who are you to decide for others when he has given them free will?
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And what if the baker wasn't told that the two wanting to get married were of the same sex?

    Yet, somehow, he was.

    But, agreed, if the watermelons were going to be used by Emery, and the farmer was anti-gun, he would be justified in refusing to sell the watermelons.
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  • Posted by BambiB 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What? From the Nation that waged war on Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and whose president is still itching to pull the trigger on Iran and Syria?

    The official government position of this Country is to kill millions of people who never did anything to us.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    of COURSE it's okay to be a bigot in America. Otherwise, half the Democrat voting base would have to be deported or jailed for bigotry.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    HOW would the cake have been bigoted and discriminatory? That was the name of the person having a birthday, as I recall.
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  • Posted by LionelHutz 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hiraghm, you have come up with a brilliant example here with the Nazis. In Nazi Germany, if a baker refused to bake a cake for someone because they were anti-Nazi, it's exactly the kind of thing you would have been made an example over. The same thing is going on here - just swap the labels.
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  • Posted by BambiB 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    >> You have no right to force someone to part with the product of their labor

    Actually, since this is a CUSTOM cake, the issue is not merely one of selling an item, but of making someone labor against their wishes. In short, it is forcing the baker into slavery.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If he was making hamburgers for them, you might have a point. But what they requested was a *wedding* cake. That's making him a participant.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am a casting director for a film. A blind person comes to try out for the part of Sergeant York.

    Need I elaborate?
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  • Posted by BambiB 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So you welcome the KKK, Nazis, Communists, etc. to your home and business, because, of course, saying "no" would mean "treatment of… a person based on the group".

    Can the KKK guys wear their robes and hoods?
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  • Posted by BambiB 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Why don't we round up a bunch of winos and send them to your house to live? We know you "won't discriminate". And we also know you don't have a problem with being forced to work for someone against your will.
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  • Posted by BambiB 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    … because in the Magna Carta, one of the first lines was, "We hereby recognize the human right of being queer - and the right of queers to force others to work for them…"
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And if the farmer wasn't told anything... What difference would it make?

    Last I heard this was still America and even though we may not like some of it free speech is still permitted. If they aren't using the watermelons to break any laws it would be nuts for the farmer to refuse the sail.

    It would be the same if the watermelons were going to be used by "Gunny" Ermey and the farmer was anti-gun.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I wasn't referring to gays in general starving to death, but the boycotters.

    And I was also invoking sarcasm, since the issue is over cake, and it's unlikely anybody will go hungry because someone won't bake them a wedding cake...
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Correct; the government has no rights whatsoever. Only individuals have rights.
    The federal government, however, has no authority to discriminate; it is mandated to enforce the law equally and impartially.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh, here we go again; we disagree, so we "hate".
    We disapprove, so we "hate".

    It impacts the baker by forcing him to violate his code of morality. If he's a devout Christian, what they are engaging in is an abomination... to him.

    That they are pretending to marry wouldn't affect him... if they didn't insist he provide the cake as part of the event.

    How does Elvis' swivel hips harm old fogies and their Glenn Miller records? Nobody knew at the time, but if we'd shot the sonofabitch the first time he got on stage, we wouldn't today have rappers spewing their garbage over the airwaves and inciting youngsters to emulate their barbaric mannerisms.

    This is the essence of 'conservative'. To question any change for change's sake.

    I don't know where 'gay marriage' will lead. I do know that in 1984 Geraldine Ferraro, leftist hag extraordinaire, laughed at the idea of unisex bathrooms and women in combat. Now we have both.
    Today you can laugh at the idea of "gay marriage" being a threat to normal society; I'm no longer willing to experiment with what might come down the road in 30 years as a result of tolerating change for change's sake.
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  • Posted by Wonky 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I can't get on board with that. I'm not speaking to my gay brother because of his blind support for repressive tolerance, not because he is gay. Live and let live, I say, until you support big government to force your ideology on other individuals. If, and only if, whiners turn to government as the arbiter of frivolous controversy, will I support the true victim.

    No vote, but I sense unjustified hatred in your words.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is NOT one of the unalienable rights.
    The unalienable rights are cited in the DoI as being life, liberty and *pursuit* of happiness.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "It is not possible for people to peacefully cooperate on a large scale ..."

    Which is why we have the Russian Doll model for American society.
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  • Posted by DaveM49 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Quite so--there is a business opportunity here either for someone going into the field, or an established business which wants to promote itself as "gay friendly". The market will show what is "best for business"
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