you no longer can hold your own values in America

Posted by MaxCasey 11 years, 4 months ago to News
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you are no longer able to chose to exercise your values in America. You now run the risk of being forced to become a hypocrite by the government. Whether you agree with gay marriage or not, this baker should not be forced to work for people he chooses not too.

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  • Posted by $ winterwind 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I would be afraid to eat a cake that I had forced a baker to make for me! There are SO many bad scenarios possible here......
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  • Posted by DaveM49 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are a few people in this world you should not deal with if you don't like you. Waiters, dentists, and barbers, to name a few. I would include any food service person. Do the couple involved expect their cake to be "made with love"?
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What has changed in your life? On what basis do you deny another American the freedom to love and marry the one they choose?
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Further, there is that "Render onto Cesar..." thing. In America that's equality under law.

    Are you advocating that folks disobey the law in the name of your religion? What if they don't subscribe to your religion? Remember, America doesn't have a state religion.
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    From Hiraghm: "I don't care what Rand would or would not have desired. I'm not here to do or..."

    Perhaps you are on the wrong page or forum? Might you do better on one of your religious forums?
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "The concern is with the government denying someone the right to choose their own values and forcing them to serve someone else who stands contradictory to them. "

    Get to the back of the bus. We don't like the way you look.
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes. And in America we aren't allowed to put "some" people in the back of the bus.
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The baker is not "owned" so he is not a slave.

    Prostitution should be legal. Folks should be allowed to sell whatever talents they have as long as it doesn't hurt another. (Hit man is an excellent example of where another would be hurt).
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The vorpal blade is fictional. So, it has absolutely zero impact on my life.

    You are correct in "influence" to the extent that the Supreme Court allows. Equality has long ben the preference of the SCOTUS.
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You seem to forget "equality under law." Why should gays sit in the back of the buss?
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  • Posted by ronallensmith 11 years, 4 months ago
    When dealing with other people, whether in business or personal life, most people tacitly decide on how the interaction between the parties will affect them--whether for good, or bad. It seems to me that this is a case where the cake maker could not abide with serving this couple because of what his faith says about gays. The article kept mentioning discrimination because of who or what the couple are. I'd bet the problem lies not in who they are, but the behavior in which they engage. This is most likely the problem relating to this man's faith too. We as Americans have the right to freely associate with whomever we wish. This is usually centered around behavior also. Values lead to behavior. This Judge has twisted anti-descrimination laws to force this guy to associate himself and his business with a couple whose behavior he disagrees with. This ruling is a form of slavery by threat of violence. In my opinion, applying the full force of Government to an individual through the court and penal system against one's will, in matters of religious conviction, is violence. And, what is going through the minds of this couple, when it is so easy to find a cake maker that caters to the Gay community in any large city. It makes me wonder about their moral aptitude. They are willing to reduce their fellow American to the level of a personal slave and force their wishes upon him, whether or not he agrees. --Slippery slope comes to mind.
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  • Posted by Wonky 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Subjectively speaking, yes. I can't quantify much more than weight, but I do "feel" better, whoa oh oh. ;)

    Thanks for asking. When is your next Hank Ragnar (um, I mean Rangar) book due out? Can I get a sneak peak if I'm really nice to you?
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's the same mentality as the lunch counters in the South, When one opens to the PUBLIC it's to ALL of the PUBLIC. Equal protection under law and all that.
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Great Hiraghm! This is America... You don't have to buy any of his wedding cakes.

    Ain't America GREAT!
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    have fun! not fretting. assume you like the majority of our producers take care of business handily and without complaint daily! wow, excellent first week stats. Is your brain tuning up? ;)
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  • Posted by Wonky 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Goodness, don't fret about us! My wife's 5 year mark was almost a year ago. She's clean. We're A-OK (and gluten free for a week (I'm down 7.4 lbs to 221.6 and she's jealous)). I'm no longer apolitical, but absolutely anti-liberal (I'm a quick study). Thanks for your concern & sorry for the quick response - said wife awaits me in our hot tub... ;)
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  • Posted by larryklutz55 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Good for the market!. You expose the flaw in your reasoning in suggesting this is a bad thing. This society could profit by showing a good deal more discrimination.
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  • Posted by RobMorse 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree that the cost is irrelevant. I find the judge's logic quite twisted as he carefully ignores the cost to society of demanding we serve anyone. There are a number of things I won't provide to anyone.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes it is.
    It may be based upon doubt rather than faith, but it's a belief. And it's not Christianity as I understand it.

    I'm not going to enter a debate over the merit of atheism, but I will point out that the brand of atheism likely practiced around here is based upon faith in a rational world.
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