you no longer can hold your own values in America
you are no longer able to chose to exercise your values in America. You now run the risk of being forced to become a hypocrite by the government. Whether you agree with gay marriage or not, this baker should not be forced to work for people he chooses not too.
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So, about those gays harming anything. Be specific.
Selling them a cake, or a baloney sandwich may not endorse anything... selling a WEDDING cake, is another matter.
WTF do you care? You're an atheist, anyway.
khalling, why is it I attract all the perverted stalkers in the gulch?
Snide condescension is a standard tactic of intolerant leftists when confronted with principled stands.
If you knew a fraction of what you claim to know about "my religion", you'd know that he'd be risking denial to paradise in his afterlife.
Please cite your source of evidence that the bakery owners are pagans? Because, as you know, it's Zeus / Jupiter who throws lightening bolts.
But, then, with your sloppy, childish thinking, who can expect you to get anything right? It's not as if anything matters to you beyond tweaking the noses of the grownups in the room.
We did not wage war ON Vietnam, we defended the republic of SOUTH Vietnam.
When South Vietnam fell, it was to FOUR ARMORED CORPS of North Vietnamese regulars. The millions who died were a result of communist aggression, not American defense of freedom. Many were sent to re-education camps for crimes such as possession of a French/Vietnamese dictionary, and who were joined by their wives and newborn children.
In your hypocritical hatred of all that is good, don't let the facts blind you.
Iraq fired on our warplanes, which were flying a no-fly zone to prevent Hussein from using more WMDs on his own populations. That alone was reason enough to resume the war. RESUME the war.
Afghanistan harbored Al Qaeda, nuff said.
The "never did nothing to us" bit is getting old. Again, if you become lonely in your ignorance, the solution is not to attempt to spread ignorance, but to educate yourself.
As for Obama, he's not slavering to pull the trigger on Iran, or he would have done so. All he wanted in Syria is to make sure the right set of despots got in charge, as he did in Libya and Egypt.
We should have conquered Iraq and Afghanistan, set up American governor-generals to rule them, used them as staging areas to crush Iran between, then swung west to crush Syria. If at that point any of the rest of the middle east gave us lip, they should have gotten stomped, too.
Then the conquered territories should have remained under American rule for a generation or so until their populations could be indoctrinated in western philosophies and cultures... much as we did with Japan.
So, you really want to go there with me? You really want to pretend moral outrage at the U.S. to someone who thinks we were far, far too lenient? To someone who would have set the ROE to include massacring entire villages for a single IED?
You're barking at the wrong slavering, murderous monster, kiddo.
Actually the kid was stating a FACT.
Now how's 'bout a fact from you.
What impact has same sex marriage had on your life? Be specific.
I disagree that homosexuality is a mental illness.
I certainly respect the business owner's right to make or not make cakes for whomever they choose to. Financial interest is only one determination in any transaction.
Again, what difference has gay marriage made in your life?
Really... According to what book? DSM maybe? Ain't there.
Besides, your god created them.
On the other hand, boycotts/sanctions are among the best tools for individuals/states to enact change under a purely capitalist morality. Capitalism is a peculiar form of morality, but it IS a form of morality, even without consideration for the form of government that supports it.
Yes, I would convict/expel (internal) or bomb the shit out of (external) totalitarians waging subversive wars against us from the inside. McCarthy was probably the last unsung hero in our (unspoken, unacknowledged, right-of-center, nationally identified) war for the rule of law, and a liberal-leaning military is backasswards, but freedom-loving individuals that don't whine and feign injury over frivolity, be they male/female, black/white, gay/straight, religious/non-religious are "our people".
Whether anyone else gets this, I am speaking directly to YOU, sir.
Big tough army guy... another seeing his pee pee? Where the HELL did that come from?
I don't know if God will make it right or not, but have you checked out His track record of HOW he makes things right?
Do a little research on a couple of towns called Sodom and Gomorrah. Or about Noah and his boat ride. God's way of "making things right" is a bit hard on the populace, don'tcha know.
And I know where accepting oxymorons as normal will lead; every perversion and mental illness being forced upon the society as "normal" and "healthy", with thousands of television hours spent trying to figure out why the hell the country is going to pot, tiptoeing around their blind spot that it is the belief system being forced on us in the name of tolerance that is destroying society.
It was terribly intolerant of the little boy to proclaim that the emperor was wearing no clothes.
Of her philosophy and Objectivism, she was ready to remind the reader / listener -- you have no right to initiate the use of force. This can "seem" to get complicated in how we define "force" and the word "initiation." For example, should you find yourself in a situation where winter is coming on and you have insufficient food-stores for your family to the extent that starvation is imminent, you have no right to exercise the use of force to compel me to sell you a portion of my food stocks. Your inability to plan ("initiation") is not a lien ("force") against my exercised capacity to live a well-planned and intended life.
In point of fact, we have imbecile breeding programs in America. We call them things like, "welfare", "food stamps", "AFDC".
Your question cannot be answered because there is no such thing as "same sex marriage". The term is an oxymoron.
Yes, atheists can get "married" in America. And when atheists get married, it is nothing more than a contract not to screw somebody else while screwing up the life of the person you marry.
But, *marriage* is a religious institution, the life-long *mating* of man and woman, affirmed before God.
Atheists cannot make such a commitment. They're short one God.
Chimpanzees were made by my God, too. That doesn't mean they should be married.
Hear that everyone? Nobody associate with Hiraghm! ;-)
Actually, it's a relief to know we have the right to NOT associate with you! :-P
He is in business to make money and they are willing to give him a fair price agreed upon for his product.
This is government preventing abuse of a couple in love.
Really, how does it harm the baker to sell a cake to another? Is his god gonna hit him with a lightening bolt? His aim must be really really bad because I ain't been hit yet.
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