you no longer can hold your own values in America
you are no longer able to chose to exercise your values in America. You now run the risk of being forced to become a hypocrite by the government. Whether you agree with gay marriage or not, this baker should not be forced to work for people he chooses not too.
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Maph...what label should be put on legally forcing someone to do business with another even though it's against their personal judgement? Hmm, what should we call that...?
Is this right or am I still way off. Just give me a premise to work with.
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Um, yes, actually it is, if your reason is based on prejudice or bias...
I agree that there must be a basis, but whether or not force is involved isn't it. The correct basis should be whether or not the action causes harm to another person.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/d...
"Public Sphere" and "Public Property" are two entirely different concepts.
http://www.netplaces.com/philosophy/util...
private enterprise
private transactions
Public only applies to governmental actions, not private citizens.
I think Ayn Rand was an excellent author and story teller, but a terrible philosopher, and her political and economic theory is deeply flawed and unworkable on many levels. But I do love her stories, and I wish there were other authors who would step up and promote capitalism and entrepreneurship like she does, just without the illogical arguments.
Discrimination in private life is also completely different from discrimination in the public domain. If you discriminate in your own personal life, then you would still be a bigot, but you wouldn't be harming anyone except yourself. No harm, no foul. But in the public sector, such as business, where everyone interacts with each other, discrimination can absolutely be detrimental to the person being discriminated against, and therefore discrimination should rightfully be outlawed in the pubic sphere.
Distinction between private and public spheres explained:
http://www.netplaces.com/philosophy/util...
"Rational limitations." that is not protection of natural rights. that is what our country was founded on-and yes the founders were aware that the Constitution was in direct conflict with slavery. you can be religious whatever-you may not take away my natural rights. I have a natural right to free association personally and in business.
discrimination
noun
1. an act or instance of discriminating, or of making a distinction.
2. treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.
3. the power of making fine distinctions; discriminating judgment: She chose the colors with great discrimination.
4. Archaic. something that serves to differentiate.
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You're confusing definition #2 with definition #3. The fact that definition #3 exists does NOT mean that definition #2 doesn't. Both meanings of the word are perfectly valid, but to engage in the action described in definition #2 is evil.
A person is perfectly free to discriminate all they like in the private sphere, where their actions have no impact on anyone but themselves. But in the public sphere, where an individual's actions DO impact other people, discrimination must be prohibited.
http://grammar.about.com/od/pq/g/publics...
No wait that doesn't make sense because the only things people can't discriminate against is sex, race, and religion right? And the disabled. Forgot that one. And they can't discriminate against the fore mentioned because it's irrational. So we can't discriminate against something unless it's irrational.
So it's rational to refuse service to a nazi because he is irrational. However the nazi can not refuse service to the jew because it's irrational.
Hey Maph are you allowed to discriminate when you're selling your body? Like a prostitute? Logically I think it would be wrong. If we can't discriminate with what we do with the products of our body, we shouldn't be allowed to discriminate with our bodies themselves. I mean, property is property. My body is my body, my bakery is my bakery.
Ok so if we can't discriminate with our property this should include what we do with our everyday actions and speech. If someone of another ethnicity wants to talk to me, it would be discrimination for me to not reciprocate the conversation.
Yeah, they should just outlaw racism, sexism, and anti religious people. Anyone showing a tendencies towards these types of behavior should definitely be reprimanded in some way.
That is seriously what you sound like to me man.
"Religious freedom" is not an all-encompassing right to do whatever the hell you want without limitation. There are still laws which bind even religion and churches. For example, we don't allow human sacrifices, not even if a person has a deep religious conviction about preforming them.
Would you want to allow al-Qaeda freedom to kill Americans because their religion (a perverted form of Islam) demands it of them? No, of course not. Even religious freedom must have rational limitations placed on it.
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