Point well taken. It would have to be a very secretive place, maybe even somewhere outside the US. Invitations to prospective members would be only to those who would keep it quiet when visiting the outside world.

True point. There would have to be some sort of pledge similar to Galt's "I swear by my life and love of it..." pledge to make it work. Also, a judicial system to keep things civil within.

With all due respect, the idea of a group of like minded individuals banding together to live in peace has been tried many times. Sometimes the leaders were nuts-Jonestown and the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas leap immediately to mind-but the sanity of the leaders is completely beside the point. The issue is, however, that should the word spread that an enclave can be formed where the residents tell government, "Look...we'll leave you alone if you'll just leave us alone", millions of us, I'm sure, would do the same. Certainly the producers of our society would consider it at the very least. Just ask Randy Weaver about Ruby Ridge. He and his family committed no crimes that I'm aware of; certainly no crime that would warrant FBI sharpshooters initiating a gunfight. Further, once the massacre had begun, I'm hard pressed to understand how an FBI sniper, who presumably followed the ROE, felt that an unarmed woman holding an infant was such an immediate threat to his team that BOTH needed to be neutralized.

As you might guess, even after this many years, I remain outraged by this event.

Thanks for the glimpse! Probably a great place!

Thank you.

Great points!

It would have to be a secretive place; people outside would not know of it, therefore would not want to invade. But, if there were an invasion, it would likely be defended by a militia style military (every household armed - that is how Switzerland steered clear of Nazi invation).

I believe Atlantis had no sickness, no war. In the real world, we have both.
One of the things our Constitution clearly protects is the safety of our citizens from foreign aggressors, as well as domestic. Since no money made in the Gulch can be spent outside the Gulch, how do we support the very government/military whose duty it is to protect us? Without a real Ragnar, I fail to see how the members of a true Galt's Gulch could protect themselves from any invasion.
I'm not trying to throw cold water on the idea, but there are some real world issues that would need to be dealt with, unlike the situation in Ayn Rand's fictional utopia. Any ideas?

I meant to write $200 per person per month. It would be higher for someone in their 70's but I am not sure how much. I am in a plan which offers "expats" a significant discount but you have to be younger than 64.5 to enroll.

In our case it's her 4 and my 4, a very long story. All long grown, gone and scattered all over the Southwest. Each of us have one who might get the message, but as we have little contact, we aren't sure. Our home is our Gulch, and has room for some allies when the SHTF, or even now.
hmmm, I recall that I send all 4 of mine a copy of Atlas Shrugged, but none of them even acknowledged. It's not a pretty picture with them!

I meant to ask, (I am in my 70s) the heath care is US200 per what? Person per month, per year?

Great information and an even better story.

That's all very well. Even so, a "situation" (as in "situations wanted") takes two: employ*ee* and employ*er*.

Recall Galt's rundown of who was in the employ of Richard McNamara, the utility contractor for the Gulch. Example: "an economics professor who could no longer find employment at a university because he taught one can get out only what one has put in." Well, that professor couldn't find university employment in the Gulch because the Gulch wasn't big enough, as a community--at least, not yet--to support a university with a department of economics. So that professor had to work as a lineman until one day the universities would be back in saner hands.

Similarly, Dagny Taggart's brakeman, whom we first saw whistling a new tune that Richard Halley composed in the Gulch, worked as a grease monkey for Ellis Wyatt, to earn money for private lessons with Richard Halley in music.

I found a 117,000 acre ranch in Australia selling for $10,000,000. A Texan Home Energy System would provide for all of the energy and water needs of a community and also produce water for irrigation an livestock.

I would never stop doing what I love to do to be a member of a Galt's Gulch Community.
Community members should be free to do the work that they are trained for.

Without John Galt's machine, or it's equivalent, such a community would be impossible.
Galt's Gulch required individuals to work at jobs other than what they are trained to do. I couldn't do that. I love engineering design and will always do that.
A real Gulch should be a dedicated self-reliant community.
I believe that such a community must be off-grid.
It must have its own independent water system.
It must grow it's own food.
The liberal establishment is destroying our country. The economy will crash and the Grid will go down.
If you do not live in such a community you may not endure.

I have designed Solar Collector that concurrently produces both electricity and steam.
It utilizes about 75% of available solar energy, converting 32% of the received energy to electricity and using 43% to produce steam.

I have also designed a Multiple Effect Desalination unit that uses the steam product of the Bradford Collector to desalinate seawater or to distill polluted river water or brackish groundwater.

I have also designed an energy and water system that will provide for all of the energy and water for an Off-Grid Independent Self-reliant community that a real Gulch must be.

By minimizing the use of Uncle Sam's money you can reduce the effect that our corrupt government has on your lives.

My designs will make it possible to create farmland in arid or desert regions.

Please visit my website, www.texanhomeenergy.com or connect with me on LinkedIn

I would love to be the "City Engineer" for a real Gulch Community.

Unlike John Galt's machine my designs do not violate the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

Dean, there are only the 4 of us, so it was easier to expose my children to Rand. Also, if there's anything I've learned about raising children, it's that it's a crapshoot. You can do everything perfectly and they still turn out the way they are going to be.
I can't imagine 8 children. I thought 2 was challenging!

so it's my guess that you're the founder of Schuyler
mentioned on their website. . congrats on the 20th!

Jan, it's people like you who keep this nation going! -- j

p.s. and security in the Gulch would start as a private
thing, with law evolving through consensus based on
leadership like Judge Napolitano . . . yes?

I moved to my present location five years ago with the express intention of "Going Galt" in Argentina. The move has been the best decision of my life (even better than moving to Park City, Utah in 1975 and to Sayulita, Nayarit, Mexico in 2000).

If you would like a glimpse of where I am click on this link: http://baexpats.org/topic/31635-country-...

For those who are not interested in reading all of the posts, there are more photos on page three of the thread.

Just yesterday, my closest neighbor (our properties actually meet at one corner point) came to my house and told me he wanted to sell his property due to his age (over 75). He owns two hectares (approx 5 acres) with two houses and several outbuildings. The property is already 'divided into two separate parcels of one hectare each, but I am not sure if both of the houses are on the same parcel or there is one house one on each. I can do some research and provide additional details if anyone is interested.

Before I moved here I thought of Argentina as a "socialist" country. In many ways it is, but in many ways I feel more free here than I did when I left the USA in 2000.

I spent several hours yesterday filling in a depression in the back half of my property where water accumulates after heavy rains. This could have been considered a criminal act by the EPA in the USA.

I have not had a single government official set foot on my property in the five years I have lived here and the Argentine government doesn't require me to buy an "approved" health care plan, either. Private health care here is very good and health insurance is affordable ($200 USD per for full coverage with zero deductible). I am surrounded by like minded individuals and families who have never read the writings of Ayn Rand, but several of them have seen Atlas Shrugged part I and part II on TV and are waiting to watch the final chapter. So am I.

Between the two families merged into our lives, we have but 2 "maybes" of 8 offspring who "might" want to go too. From which I may surmise that you did a better job with yours!

I would in a heartbeat! I am 67, but I would go!

I would go. It would be easy, because the people who mean the most to me would want to go, too.

I'd go there in a heartbeat.

My husband and I are right there with you

My view is we can make our own gulch. I person quit my job in the city purchased a small ranch 26 miles from neatest gallon of milk and tried to become self sufficient.