American Cops Just Killed More People in March than the UK Did in the Entire 20th Century

Posted by Zenphamy 10 years ago to Government
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I'd decided to not post every Police killing this last month. I'll just do monthly rates now.

One of my earlier posts on the subject showed that police during the first part of the year were killing Americans at a rate of 3 per day, but during March, they out did themselves again. They're now up to nearly 4 per day.
This travesty has to stop. Arrest us, give us our trials--we don't deserve the Police State's Death Penalty.

"Just last month, in the 31 days of March, police in the United States killed more people than the UK did in the entire 20th century. In fact, it was twice as many; police in the UK only killed 52 people during that 100 year period.

According to the report by ThinkProgess, in March alone, 111 people died during police encounters — 36 more than the previous month. As in the past, numerous incidents were spurred by violent threats from suspects, and two officers were shot in Ferguson during a peaceful protest. However, the deaths follow a national pattern: suspects were mostly people of color, mentally ill, or both.

This high number in March increased the average for police killings from every 8.5 hours, to nearly 1 police killing every 6.5 hours in the US."


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  • Posted by 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, the cop swore an oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and we pay him to do that and give him a better retirement than we ourselves get. I'm just not that sure that citizen responsibility is an answer.
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  • Posted by 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    He was pulled over for a broken tail light and apparently had a warrant for failure to pay child support. The witness that made the video said that the cop had already tasered him once and the guy was running from the taser.

    None of that sounds like death sentence type crimes to me. There's just too many of these.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    My apologies for ranting. But I'm not going to withdraw anything. I still don't see the point of the whole threadl. Perhaps you could restate it in one sentence?

    Usually when police misconduct is involved there is much more than killed which is not by definition necessarily a bad thing. As opposed to murder - except for those who mis state the Ten Commandments.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    start with the constitution. thand hand book for citizens. you recall the elected officials that gave the offender the badge and failed to do their job Civis 101. There is always a way or at least used to be. Before the couch potatoes let the police state take over. Now I'm not so sure the option of citizen responsibility is available at any level. This is discouraging. X + Y = Z ero must be more than three generations. We just had an eight year old give us more hope. You don't have initiative? That's another citizen procedure except in the slave states.
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  • Posted by 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    And we should be, but 111 people/mo is extreme, IMHO. I don't make assumptions about this situation. The legal basis in this country began as, 'Rather 10 guilty go free than one innocent man be punished'. Have we really changed that much? I'm unwilling to give that presumption up.
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  • Posted by 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    You can't recall a cop and in most cases, can't prosecute him. I had direct involvement during the late 60's. I fail to see a relevance to the topic of this post.
    Strike 1.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Hello Zenphamy,
    I saw that video too. I can't imagine any preceding events that could mitigate that killing. So far it looks like an atrocity to me. Murder.
    Regards,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by JeffG 10 years ago
    1. How many years of the 20th century did UK cops even have guns?
    2. USA has 6x the population.
    3. Maybe we should punish criminals rather than coddle them so they wouldn't be motivated to commit crime.
    4. Propaganda titles like this on are needed for incorrect arguments.
    PS - Arm the American people like the Swiss and the problem will solve itself!
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Ah yes now I understand. But the amount of citizens killed in the current wars has two other lessons. It's very very small compared to the 60's and 70's or the early 50's or earlier. A comparison that way is a positive for not using the draft system. However the over riding system is the number killed in wars started with a Republican in the White House and a Democrat. The ratio is 18:1 Eighteen under a Democrat to 1 under a Republican since the end of World War II. I use one parameter. It doesn't matter who took over. It was started by...therefore they get the credit or the debit. That is the only real difference between the two parties other than socialist statist and socialist corporatist and the only difference of significant interest especially if you are in the infantry.

    As for the rest of it the differences are between what they say with little difference if any between what they do. Ergo Sum. The two make up the Government Party and work in concert with each other to remain in power.

    To change your local police problem use the recall. If you don't have the recall you are a slave state.
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  • Posted by tdechaine 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I am very much an Obj., thank you.
    You continue to make the assumption that cops generally kill without sufficient cause; I am not willing to make that assumption. As has been noted here, most killings are in big cities where racial tension and aggression against cops is the greatest and - in some cases - where gun control has been imposed.
    Obviously, we can both be concerned about those cases where cops are out of line.
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  • Posted by kevinw 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    A few points here; I don't believe there is any "proportion to the self defense required" principal in Objectivism. A threat is a threat and the one being threatened has the right to protect himself by whatever means available. A threat being a decision by one that the life or the product of the life of another is at the disposal of the one, thereby forfeiting his own life.
    Another, the use of statistics with total disregard for context is a scare tactic used to influence emotion in place of proper judgment and is easily seen through, especially by people on this site.
    All that said, I once attempted to join the police force about 25 years ago. I didn't make it and I was under the impression, by the questions on the application and in the interview and in the general attitude that they were looking for people who were willing to enforce the law as it is written and not as it would be right. To follow orders and never question them. My respect for the police has never been the same and I always have that "big brother is watching you" feeling any time the police are around.
    The point being that the problem is not the position of power that we put these people in, the problem is the power that we give to that position.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years ago
    I am enjoying this post. I see you have instituted Euda's policy to great effect. here is k, learning
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  • Posted by mccwho 10 years ago
    Not meaning to belittle any potential problem. But 111 that's more than the "assault rifle" killed. Humm police are more dangerous than assault riffles.

    Ahmmm, Ban Police ?????

    I don't see Pelosi and Feinstein yelling how scary the police are
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    For that fact more people were killed by blunt objects then either one of these causes. Over zealousness can cause far more problems, especially when facts are distorted, or bent to fit a specific objective.

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  • Posted by waytodude 10 years ago
    It seems to me the criminal element are getting more brazen for the simple fact that they see on TV that when they are caught commenting a crime they don't have to have respect for the law enforcement and if in doing so are hurt in any way the police are to blame. We are coming to a point where police cannot do their job. Before this happens I am obtaining my conceal carry permit.
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  • Posted by kevinw 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    That is the root of the problem, is it not? What reasonable society would let it's police force be outgunned by the criminals? And yet more and more people are added to that list of criminals every day with more and more laws and that means the cops need more and more weapons and aggressive training and the wedge is driven deeper and deeper, Attitudes change on both sides as we all learn to hate each other. Tensions raise, confrontations become harsher and guess what? We need more laws.
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  • Posted by NealS 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    Possibly, but then again it may soon take a majority rule to see if we actually keep the Bill of Rights.
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  • Posted by 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I like that. I hope that people are really beginning to understand what's happening.
    Txs for that referral.
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