Statists masquerading as Objectivists or Objectivists unaware of their contradictions?
Posted by MaxCasey 11 years, 4 months ago to Philosophy
Through very few posts on here I've been amazed that so many so-called Objectivists would unwittingly espouse beliefs that are in line with statism and the denial of man's individual rights. So amazed in fact that I can't help but wonder if these people are part of those who are paid to troll message boards and "tow the party line", or if people truly don't understand Objectivism.
Recent posts suggesting that its okay for the government to force people to work against their will and the lack of understanding of the primacy of the individual over society are some of the things I've seen recently that give rise to my amazement.
What do you think? Trolls or ignorance? Or maybe both?
Recent posts suggesting that its okay for the government to force people to work against their will and the lack of understanding of the primacy of the individual over society are some of the things I've seen recently that give rise to my amazement.
What do you think? Trolls or ignorance? Or maybe both?
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"God does not play dice with the universe"
- Albert Einstein
I see these things as a big problem for the Objectivist movement as well
I will say there aren't enough firemen. and the city parks are looking crappy. But I would have privatized those things anyway.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/10/world/...
However, these days I would say that while that description is still true of "mainstream" Republicans, mainstream Democrats no longer support any kind of freedom.
Look at the Obama administration and their record on illegal wiretapping, violations of privacy on the internet, and drone strikes. And who was it that staged a filibuster over drone strikes? Rand Paul, a Republican.
Today there is a significant minority in the Republican party that does support individual rights, whereas the Democratic Party no longer can even be trusted to support political freedoms.
I'll do guns and butter if you'd like.
Can we agree on capitalism john?
The answer is clearly binary viz. The Universe was either: A) Created or B) has always existed.
No one to my knowledge has ever proven either to be correct using Aristotle's logic and Galileo's scientific method.
Any assertions of certitude of either case must therefore eschew Reason and Logic which, together, are the bedrocks of Objectivism.
Emotions and Faith are the basis for the Assertion "I am that I am" and cannot be proven. What is your point?
It is still objective to to state capitalism is the best tool for achieving freedom from religion. Even if we win the intellectual battle over religion, we'll look up and see our society is now marxist.. Practically, if I look back on my lifetime, I see that in times where capitalistic freedoms were the focus, prosperity was achieved by more people. In times where civil liberties were more the main focus (focus-not importance), prosperity suffered. If there is no focus on the political in a philosophy, can it thrive? and, if those who are Objectivists can still not see the contradictions in (as an example) supporting regulatory and heavy policing of capitalism-are they not, in effect, opening the door to other losses of liberty? Are they not in contradiction of man as a rational animal and that man is inherently good? Frankly, unlike yourself, I think much of it is due to basic ignorance of economics.and by extension-capitalism. I think Rand said something about how she was proving the moral basis of capitalism but that she did not presume to understand in depth the field of economics. Fair enough-but does that mean Objectivists, now armed with a philosophy of life, shouldn't be all over the science of economics and Objectivism? Where is all that research and academia? I got off topic. Most importantly, I wanted to point out that Objectivists can be lousy at keeping the door open.
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