Statists masquerading as Objectivists or Objectivists unaware of their contradictions?
Posted by MaxCasey 11 years, 4 months ago to Philosophy
Through very few posts on here I've been amazed that so many so-called Objectivists would unwittingly espouse beliefs that are in line with statism and the denial of man's individual rights. So amazed in fact that I can't help but wonder if these people are part of those who are paid to troll message boards and "tow the party line", or if people truly don't understand Objectivism.
Recent posts suggesting that its okay for the government to force people to work against their will and the lack of understanding of the primacy of the individual over society are some of the things I've seen recently that give rise to my amazement.
What do you think? Trolls or ignorance? Or maybe both?
Recent posts suggesting that its okay for the government to force people to work against their will and the lack of understanding of the primacy of the individual over society are some of the things I've seen recently that give rise to my amazement.
What do you think? Trolls or ignorance? Or maybe both?
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The ignorant are what they are, but I have a real problem with the willfully ignorant. But what does the country comic say? 'You can't fix stupid',
Politics is not a foundation of a philosophy. It is derived from ethics which comes from morality. Politics is a consequential study of how people live in society. You can live apart from society. Many concepts being with Robinson Crusoe. He needs language. He needs morality. He can use money. Rights do not exist in that context.
They value their (nuclear) families as if cultural tradition were a moral mandate.
True Objectivists are rare here. For evidence of that, look at all the posts I created about Objectivism: few replies or comments.
'They want to seal the borders,..'
I recall that a certain Gulch had a very high tech barrier guarding its perimeter and air-space.
As to valuing family- the genetic code does not recognize morality.
'True Objectivists are rare here.' Yes, I doubt many except you and me, sometimes I am not sure about you even. (Could not resist, now where did that come from?)
Your web site posts- for most of them they are just the last word, I would have nothing to say except Yes!
An Ojectivist does not have to agree with every aspect of the philosophy as Rand nor agree to apply it identically.
The use of insults with or without expletives is ok as Objectivists have a wide view of freedom of speech, but perpetrators should not expect to gain support by using them except from people who likewise like to talk tough but think little.
I reckon conservatives, LBGT, statists, racists, liberals, anarchists and satanists can contribute to this forum, well some have done so. Such positions may have common ground with that of Objectivists on topics of current interest. But imposing religion (even the one you believe is right), increasing the powers of the state (over that of this year 2013), the use of emotional argument -are not Objectivism.
But that's not really fair. I'm not really saying "stupidity." More like "divergent thought."
A great many Objectivists hold divergent views. Not surprising since it is a philosophy that prizes the individual mind.
(Even among the national mouthpieces there was debate about voting Dem or Rep. until the Big O came along.)
Never-the-less that's the beauty of this site, don't you think? A chance to work out the kinks. A chance to see another side.
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Sorry about the buttheads, but what can you do?
Well, of course you could knock off the Jew haters and conspiracy kooks, but where do you stop?
(Well, okay you could stop AFTER the Jew haters and conspiracy kooks at least, but...)
But ultimately it comes down to forcing people to behave as you think they should. Whether it's giving money they don't want to give or hiring people they don't want to hire.
Best to rely on charity for the poor and public opinion for repulsive attitudes. (That whole "Duck Dynasty" thing worked itself out pretty quick, don't ya think?"
I know it's not as quick or satisfying as a law - but the next thing you know you have Christian pharmacists forced to hand out abortion pills. (I'm pro-choice but that's hardly the point now is it?)
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Of course, this is entirely separate from government discrimination which should be weeded out with a scythe.
BTW - proud OBJ here. Not sayin' it's better, just proud to be an Objectivist.
(I'd give you a winky-smiley face back, but I'm old and crotchety and it wasn't from my generation so I'm not going to.)
Still though... [Proffered hand and a big smile!]
Freedom of speech does not include freedom FROM speech, either. Grow up; you're going to hear things you don't like, you're going to be exposed to religious views with which you disagree. If your convictions are worth their salt, no expression of religion will sway them.
Freedom FROM religion is only good for the weak-willed.
Why is there tax-funded media? Don't Christians pay taxes?
What I've done stands up and down the I-35 corridor. There will be schools and office buildings and houses and shopping centers standing long after I'm gone. I don't get the point of your link?
If you can put Satanism next to Christianity and call them the same because they both fit under the label "religion", there's no hope for you.
And yes, I said that as I understand Objectivism, you don't come under the definition. You do, however, based upon your rants here, do come under the definition of anarchist. I never said anything about how I *feel* about you.
I've got history backing my point of view. You've got theories backing yours.
Yes, I am a conservative, I've made no bones about it. However, your characterization of conservative values as being "statist" is erroneous and ignorant.
However, I may be wrong about you being an anarchist. You make anarchist noises, but you seem to be more of an elitist...
I would like to know if you can elaborate further on the statement ‘paid to troll’. I always suspected on another message board one of the members of being guilty of this. The member never answers direct questions and spouted the propaganda of the day. Is this a list somewhere of the organizations that pay for this type of work? It would be nice to back up suspicions with facts.
stop insulting me.
Oh, dear, poor little Dagney got treated with condescension... let's enslave half the population to spare her feewings.
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