The 16th Amendment was about taxes, and did not address either collectivism or individualism. And the inability of corporations to fine or jail the public is beside the point, which was whether collectivism ever has any legitimate place in society. I think it does. There are pros and cons to both individualism and collectivism, and a stable society will need to utilize both in order to attain and maintain prosperity. Choosing either one to the absolute exclusion of the other leads to disaster.
Asking whether one should choose collectivism or individualism to achieve prosperity is like asking whether an airplane needs a left wing or a right wing in order to fly straight. Clearly both are needed.
wait-I can show you lots of evidence about any kind of marriage where it was harmful to women. men too-why is polygamy harmful in concept? Aids is harmful and although not exclusive to homosexual males, a high risk and the statistics bear me out on this-so is sickle cell anemia in blacks.
No, I oppose polygamy because it's harmful to women. We also can't legalize incestual marriages because close relatives produce offspring with birth defects due to not having a wide enough gene pool. In both of these cases, there is empirical evidence demonstrating harm, whether its legalized or not. In same-sex marriages, however, there is no harm to anyone, and therefore no logical reason to ban it.
So I am being logically consistent, I'm just using a different train of logic than you. ;)
are you for the state legally recognizing polygamy as marriage? definition-ally speaking, it is something else. I do not deny polygamists' the right to have a legally binding contract(s), but they have to call it something else. Something that defines what it is they are doing. How do you feel about a brother and sister marrying?
Well, you seem to be doing extremely well for the most part, but there is that one last little step. You might want to try talking to your gay friend and her partner about the whole civil union vs. marriage debate. See what they think.
Oh, so standing up for their rights and fighting back against persecution is heterophobic now? Please, don't be ridiculous. The regulations regarding property rights must naturally be stricter for commercial property than for residential property.
seriously? My close friend is gay and in a relationship of many years. I was present when their first daughter was born in the hospital room. I stood up as a witness to her partner's adoption of their girls. I am against getting special status for marriage. I wish them well to have a partnership, a contract, a legal recognition. I am not homophobic in the least. Marriage already has a definition. you can't change it and expect it to retain its meaning. I am also not religious. I am also NOT supportive of marriage as a tax shelter. I say fix the system at the root. Millions of couples live together as partners, never choosing the state's sanction. They do not scream they are being violated or denied a right. You cannot legislate my mind to change.
The baker was totally homophobic, but was trying to say that homophobia is not actually homophobia. His self-contradictory statements made it clear that he was just in denial. It doesn't matter if he claims to not have a problem with the lifestyle. If he opposes same-sex marriage, then he clearly DOES have a problem with it.
Denying that their discrimination is actually discrimination is a favorite tactic of bigots.
You ever notice how the phrase "I'm not racist, but..." is always followed by something incredibly racist? Yeah, this is sorta like that.
" It's entirely possible to recognize that individualism and collectivism both have legitimate places in society."
Any attempt to compromise between a thief and a victim always ends badly for the victim.
"The claim that collectivism is inherently evil has lead many Objectivists to conclude that teamwork is evil, because teamwork is a form of collectivism."
So the 16th Amendment was teamwork? Or was it outright theft of our incomes?
"Pretty much every large corporation operates on collectivist principles. Would you eliminate every big business for the sake of preserving only the individually operated small businesses?"
Private owned corporations, large or small, cannot fine or jail you for not buying their products.Only government enjoys that privilege..
This woman is a little off: 80/20 law still applies meaning that 20% of population will support a "Rascist" biz, etc. That's Nature. Please don't look to Youtube for Knowledge.
"One can be an Individualist or a Collectivist but trying to be both is an impossibility." --- That's not true at all. It's entirely possible to recognize that individualism and collectivism both have legitimate places in society. The problem with Communism was that they tried to say only collectivism was valid, and that individualism should be eliminated. Now we can certainly say that is evil, but simply taking the exact opposite stance and saying that only individualism is valid, and that collectivism should be eliminated would likely have similar results.The claim that collectivism is inherently evil has lead many Objectivists to conclude that teamwork is evil, because teamwork is a form of collectivism. Pretty much every large corporation operates on collectivist principles. Would you eliminate every big business for the sake of preserving only the individually operated small businesses?
I've told Maph before...until you own a business you won't understand. I'm sure there are people in the world that he would not serve based on principle also....he just can't let himself go there because it's not reality for him...it's still fantasy at this point.
If your definition of "totalitarian state" is any state which passes laws and regulations, then I'm afraid there has never been a non-totalitarian state in the history of mankind. Clearly a different definition is needed, otherwise we'll never be able to correctly recognize TRUE totalitarianism.
you discriminate against business. have you ever walked in a business owner's shoes? You vilify them as a group often in here. it's hurtful actually. sniff
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Asking whether one should choose collectivism or individualism to achieve prosperity is like asking whether an airplane needs a left wing or a right wing in order to fly straight. Clearly both are needed.
Aids is harmful and although not exclusive to homosexual males, a high risk and the statistics bear me out on this-so is sickle cell anemia in blacks.
A government health inspector can inspect the kitchen of a restaurant, but not the kitchen of a home.
So I am being logically consistent, I'm just using a different train of logic than you. ;)
Why?
I just want to know where your final little last step is and if it's logically consistent
definition-ally speaking, it is something else. I do not deny polygamists' the right to have a legally binding contract(s), but they have to call it something else. Something that defines what it is they are doing.
How do you feel about a brother and sister marrying?
You cannot legislate my mind to change.
Denying that their discrimination is actually discrimination is a favorite tactic of bigots.
You ever notice how the phrase "I'm not racist, but..." is always followed by something incredibly racist? Yeah, this is sorta like that.
Any attempt to compromise between a thief and a victim always ends badly for the victim.
"The claim that collectivism is inherently evil has lead many Objectivists to conclude that teamwork is evil, because teamwork is a form of collectivism."
So the 16th Amendment was teamwork? Or was it outright theft of our incomes?
"Pretty much every large corporation operates on collectivist principles. Would you eliminate every big business for the sake of preserving only the individually operated small businesses?"
Private owned corporations, large or small, cannot fine or jail you for not buying their products.Only government enjoys that privilege..
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That's not true at all. It's entirely possible to recognize that individualism and collectivism both have legitimate places in society. The problem with Communism was that they tried to say only collectivism was valid, and that individualism should be eliminated. Now we can certainly say that is evil, but simply taking the exact opposite stance and saying that only individualism is valid, and that collectivism should be eliminated would likely have similar results.The claim that collectivism is inherently evil has lead many Objectivists to conclude that teamwork is evil, because teamwork is a form of collectivism. Pretty much every large corporation operates on collectivist principles. Would you eliminate every big business for the sake of preserving only the individually operated small businesses?
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