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A Gulch and The Walking Dead

Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 10 years ago to Philosophy
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I had an excellent lunch last Saturday with an Objectivist, and one of the things we talked about was skills we have to offer to a Gulch. In that vain, I have developed a scenario to hopefully stimulate thought and discussion on this topic.

It's my post, so my rules. Here is the scenario:

It is a post apocalyptic world, either natural or man-made that resembles the 1815's in technology. There will be walking dead. They may not be zombies, but they are out to kill you and take your resources. There is no power sources anywhere in the world other than solar, wind and horse power.

A few fellow Objectivists and I have found and established an invitation only Gulch with all the natural resources we can use. We will send a few people out to recruit new residents, much like Francisco and John were doing.

There are 2 inviolate requirements and rules for Gulchers and prospective invitee Gulchers:

1: All people 16 years and older MUST be willing to truly and honestly, of their own free will, take The Oath. This may require a potential invitee to make a hard choice as there will be no exceptions.
2: The existence and the location of this Gulch MUST be kept secret and it will be defended.

What skills and/or resources can you bring to this Gulch? Why would we recruit you?


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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    "Are they doable with 1815 tech?" I would have no problem inventing the technology if I had to do so, but obviously would prefer to bring my equipment with me along with my knowhow. If necessary, I could become like the professor on Gilligan's Island, even though my face looks more like Gilligan. As for my equipment, if it were not destroyed and only subjected to the pillage of looters and moochers, a lot of what could be turned into real value for me in the Gulch is sitting collecting dust in a locked room in an off-campus building and would appear to be junk to almost everyone else. I wouldn't even get looted, but much of it might be thrown out as "trash". To me it is treasure. The lab where I keep that stuff would make an episode on American Lab Pickers (as opposed to American Pickers). Most of it was very high tech 30-40 years ago, and I bought it for a penny on the dollar.

    Maybe I better start working on the flux capacitor so that I can time travel to now to get all of the cool stuff to take back to our 1815 era. ;)
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  • Posted by $ 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I want to make it The Walking Dead world. Everything is there, it just doesn't run. Some stuff will work until it runs out of fuel, but with no power to pump fuel, there it sits.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I happen to have been thinking about an aspect of this as I was jogging this morning. Any disaster would leave virtually thousands of very capable computers scattered around. Everyone's smartphone is a pretty damned good computer. They are low power and can network.

    I suppose you could imagine an emp that munched the chips, but I'm not sure how realistic that is.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years ago
    how about this. I extensively read in the historical time period of 1800-1830. you pick up stuff...
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 10 years ago
    JLC and I frequently have discussions along this line, with varying degrees of what you actually have left to work with depending on what went wrong. I'm assuming, in your example, that we at least have our memories, and hopefully some books.

    One of my contentions is that there is a vast resource of knowledge about things that work. This will greatly speed up the process of reacquiring modern technology. For example in 1815 there was virtually no use of electricity, although you mention solar as one of the resources. Knowing the importance of electricity to future development, how tubes can be built, how transistors work and that integrated circuits are even better will vastly improve the speed of reinventing these things.

    You say there are no other power sources. Does that just mean in existence or is something preventing their creation (as in "Dies the Fire").
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years ago
    I will gladly convert surrounding biomass into usable fuel, energy, and/or chemicals for other Gulchers at a reasonable price, but one at which I will make a reasonable profit with minimal disturbance to the surrounding environment. When someone else enters the Gulch that has such skills or can outdo me in energy and chemicals supply like an Ellis Wyatt, I will gladly become the local metals purification expert until someone can outdo me on that. After that, I will gladly become the neighborhood's 3D printing expert, not only with polymers but our own little metals foundry, too, until a Rearden comes along. After that, I will work with our surgeons to develop biomedical implants for our aging Gulchers. As necessary, I can make custom pharmaceuticals as needed as well.

    As for defense, I should hope that we won't need to construct nuclear weapons, but if necessary, I was one of the last of the Cold Warrior weapons construction experts. It is a job that I am no longer proud of, but ...
    I haven't 3D printed a gun yet, but I know I could make a plastic one.

    When no longer able to do any of those things, I will be capably handled in the care of my wife/nurse, who is coming along with me. And Khalling, I have since asked my wife about The Oath. She will take The Oath.

    Oh, and BTW, aren't we in a society with walking dead already? ;)
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years ago
    I tamed a beast of burden...so there's that. oh- good at getting accurate information out of people in a stressful situation. don't let me be in charge of the map lol I'd be good at setting up a trading post, db offering a legal system for clear contracts and protection of property rights, and settling disputes rationally. really, we're still your idea people, but a trading post will be huge.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years ago in reply to this comment.
    I know you are leaving out the important stuff, and I guess I'm curious about that. I want to share and other gulchers too, but it begs a question...
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  • Posted by freedomforall 10 years ago
    Thanks for posting this, Pirate. I have been thinking about this subject, too.

    Hypothetically speaking, of course.
    Extensive database on cooking, gunsmithy, beer making, library of books on liberty. Ability to read and follow directions (but not necessarily without discussion depending on circumstances), experience in vegetable gardening/composting, experience designing software (and logic might have some application even without electronic devices), experience reloading and beer brewing (not simultaneously) and basic knowledge of liquor distilling, lost wax casting, teaching mathematics, writing contracts.
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