a police force? Surely you are aware of both self-defense and of private security organizations!

Dean there are significant differences. But there are also shared views. Ultimately, Libertarianism is not a philosophy, it is a political system.

I clicked your link and read that article and am thinking "GREAT"! Because I am personally setting out on my mission to accomplish the same within my own area. If anybody cares, I'll be pleased to post articles on the ways and wherefores of that to the Gulch.

On another side-note, I consider myself to be a Libertarian Objectivist. I see darn little difference, and would really like to see some explanation of your views on this matter.

Sorry, one of my typing errors. It should read "so we can do well AND pay good money".

I'm just saying mutually beneficial trade is the key to the whole thing.

well, wood, I think Serbia and Croatia have proven they are willing to dispute

If one of the new "citizens" opens a casino, who knows where this could go. However, no matter how Libertarian they are, they will need a police force. (A necessary evil?)

Keep us posted on that.

Get 10,000 well armed citizens, and then see how long the two dispute. Look at Switzerland. ALL citizens are armed, all males with fully automatic weapons.

Well, I registered and applied. As a WELL armed sheep, with more skills than I can count, Let's see if I can gain dual citizenship.

The author may say it is terra nullius, but I doubt Serbia and Croatia agree. They are disputing the land. I'll bet that does not mean that neither country is claiming it. I think it means the opposite, they are both claiming it.

No chance for viability. The territory is "disputed", which means both Croatia and Serbia have laid claim to the area in question. Any attempt at infrastructure creation would immediately fall prey to one or the other (most likely Serbia), or both countries might agree to "dual sovereignty", meaning both could collect taxes and enforce claims against the "new nation."

The only real possibility for a new independent state on existing land is if an existing government wanted to strike a deal with an entity with enough money to buy the land. Even then, there would probably have to be agreements regarding revenue sharing, law enforcement jurisdiction, etc, etc.

Another way to develop a new state is to create an artificial structure outside the limits of any other state's jurisdiction. One effort, called "New Utopia" was intended to be built on a shoal in the Gulf of Mexico, but when it was discovered that the shoal fell within the 200 mile economic control of Nicaragua, that deal collapsed.

There are privately owned islands (the late actor, Raymond Burr, who played Perry Mason, owned one in the Pacific) that while technically outside the jurisdiction of existing nations, usually have jurisdiction claims by sometimes more than one nearby nation supported in international courts. There might be a possibility to work out a deal for sovereignty (Mason did, with Fiji) for one of those islands.

Conclusion: it isn't going to be easy to establish a really independent state, and even then you may have to work out alliances with bigger states for self protection. Who knows? That might be one of Elon Musk's new projects.

Isn't there any no mans land in North America Just waiting to be claimed?

Complete the sentence please. It makes no sense. Edited for typo.

Win at business

What does ".......buy from us so we can do well a pay good money......." mean?

You can bet that the Liberals would be trying this too. It would fail real fast as soon as they realize they don't have enough workers paying the taxes to support the entitlements.

The author says the territory is terra nullius, or literally no man's land. A pocket of land that somehow fell through the "crack" between the borders of two established nation-states. So he just went in and occupied it.

I wish him well, but, like the author of the article, I wonder whether he has what it takes.

I'm not saying it should model itself off Monaco, just that a micro-nation can work.

I do consider anything someone does for willing customers production.

Part of the core of my view of a "Gulch" is trade, opposed to someone telling people you can't trade with each other because of a line on a map. So I don't think they're mindset should be "can we survive without trade" but rather "how can we encourage trade and make stuff that people of eager to buy from us so we can do well a pay good money that makes foreign suppliers eager to supply us."

If the 30,000 people who applied for citizenship are willing to commit the level of time and money associated with becoming a citizen of an established nation, it's as powerful as one wealthy person.

They need a Midas Mulligan.
If anything will get the UN to step in and force an agreement over that 3 square miles (other than rich natural resources) then this is it.

Maybe you should visit Monaco and see it. There is no productive industry in monaco unless you consider gambling and tourism as production. If there was an embargo it wouldn't last a week. (Ditto for NYC;^)

Ii could become similar to Monaco in geographic size and economics. If I believe the Wikipedia article on Monaco:
Area: 0.78 sq mi
Population: 36,371
No income tax; "low" business tax, making it a tax haven
GDP: 5.4 billion, $153,177 per capita
World's lowest poverty rate and highest percentage of millionaires and billionaires

The very concept of the nation state is new in history. They could be come a un-nation, some variant of a city-state and an idealized version of the US with defense provided by minutemen with guns they keep in their home, perhaps with the help of something like Wheatley SPI.

They certainly need some legal system to enforce contracts, settle disputes, and stop use of force.

I hope to see many of these spring up. Manhattan has 70,000 people per sq mile. So Liberland has room for the 30,000 who have applied, with room left over for very limited agricultural and light-industrial areas.

I don't know about viability. They said they're only accepting 5,000 to 10,000 immigrants and it's what, 4 mi sq. I think Luxembourg and Monte Christo are both bigger than that.