American Revolution II

Posted by BambiB 11 years, 4 months ago to Government
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The economy is a mess. Obama stirs the pot, creates disaster, claims success and moves on. A new entitlements program in the form of "Obamacare" has just been dumped on the American People. The Federales are $17 trillion in debt, facing $211 trillion in unfunded mandates over the next 50 years. 25 cents of ever Federal dollar spent is borrowed - and China has just begun making noises that sound a lot like, "We're not loaning you any more money."

American police forces - from the local units to the Federal level are more militarized, aggressive and violent than any time in history. At the same time, Americans (many perceiving a threat from the government) are arming themselves in record numbers.

The split between rich and poor has never been greater. Jobs are hard to come by. The government is pumping out propaganda by the boat load. The adminstration is lying to us, the NSA is spying on us, the TSA is groping us, the IRS is harassing and taxing us, Congress is ignoring us.

Will it all break? If so, when? And how? Will Americans rebel? Will it be peaceful or violent? What will come afterwards? How much of the dreck that is American "law" will remain? Will the Constitution be tossed aside? Will we continue to allow morons to vote? Will there be any voting? How will things change?

Will Americans meekly accept whatever their "leaders" tell them to accept?

And most of all: WHEN do you think changes will occur?

I'd say we have 0 to 10 years before the dollar crashes. Hard. I expect the Chinese to shorten our "line of credit" and push for the establishment of the Yuan as the international currency. When they do that, the dollar will crash - dropping by more than 90% in value in a single year. The prices of everything (as valued in dollars) will soar. The government-created "dependent class" won't have enough money to eat. Crime will explode in the dependent neighborhoods and merchants, unable to withstand the stress, will withdraw, making life even more difficult. There will be riots (think "Rodney King riots in L.A.) in every major city - but food riots. People will begin to organize themselves into self-protection groups. The government will react to it all with martial law.

Then the grease really hits the fire.

Gun confiscation.

Resistance.

Counter-offensive.

Civil war.

Military suppression and insurrection.

Assassinations.

Anarchy.

A new beginning. But what kind?

So there's my prediction. What's yours?


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  • Posted by wespotts 11 years, 4 months ago
    Atlas Shrugged fits our current situation like a glove. The government has turned the vision for America as the land of opportunity into the land of entitlement. From dreams of a better tomorrow into a nightmare that darkens our future because of a government completely out of control. Entitlement programs are turning Americans in lazy, dependent, non-productive citizens.

    Ayn Rand predicted this in Atlas Shrugged. You'd think that would have been a wake up call. But who's paying attention?

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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    ah, but gene, no one leaves their country as a young girl leaving behind their entire family without being more than passably aware of the politics of their nation. . The United States was not created without people who focused on philosophy, and by its extension, politics. For without politics how can you turn a philosophy into action. Think capitalism. You did not answer my question about Locke or the founding fathers.

    "The basic and crucial political issue of our age is: capitalism versus socialism, or freedom versus statism. For decades, this issue has been silenced, suppressed, evaded, and hidden under the foggy, undefined rubber-terms of “conservatism” and “liberalism” which had lost their original meaning and could be stretched to mean all things to all men." Capitalism the Unknown Ideal
    She said the 4th foundation of philosophy was politics.
    She wrote the book, "The New Left" -all about politics.
    She read Goldwater's book, "The Conscience of a Conservative" and included extensive notes in it. If you upgrade to producer, you can read her notes in the margins of the actual pages.
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  • Posted by geneligman 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You misunderstand Khalling. To focus on something is to make it that which you spend the most time and effort on. To "not focus" on something does not mean to ignore it. So be aware, but don't let yourself be drawn into the idea that it is what makes the world go round. Rand was not a politician. She focused on writing. If you read her essays on why she constructed Objectivism, you will find that it was as a means to portray a man in the context that she needed for the novel, not vice versa. I repeat, focus on that which enriches your life, not on how your life is under attack. They are not mutually exclusive and cannot be sundered, but in one case, you are more likely to prosper.
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  • Posted by geneligman 11 years, 4 months ago
    My advice is:

    Don't focus on politics. Focus on your own life, your own prosperity, your own fitness. If you are properly fit, you will be able to survive and likely thrive in any crisis scenario. Sure, being prepared is a key to fitness. Get some guns, gold, and a good network of good reliable friends, but focus on your success now. That success will translate into your success in the event of a crash, if one happens. Look, the train is headed toward the cliff. We can all see it. There is only one pedal in the locomotive that politicians will acknowledge, the accelerator pedal. When will it happen? Timing is tough. It took the Soviet Union 60 years to finally crash, and it was broke from the start.
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "don't focus on politics."
    really? don't focus on philosophy, don't focus on realities in this world. The people who "thrived" in the soviet union were the people who were the most brutal, the most immoral. because that is what that system rewarded. Pushing death. there is no guarantee when the US crashes that on the other side will be freedom. Ignoring politics, therefore ignoring US reality will ensure what will come out of this will be even more oppressive, more brutal, lots of wars. Should Rand have focused on her physical fitness, her prosperity, and remained in the Soviet Union? Should Locke have focused on accumulating gold and fitness and ignored ideas and politics? What of our founding fathers?
    Ignoring politics in your nation is ignoring reality in the world. Speaking out now is key to winning the battle of ideas, which politics is very certainly a part of. By all means stay fit and pursue your financial goals and prepare for the worst-but do NOT ignore what is happening in front of your eyes.
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  • Posted by $ Snezzy 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I remember hearing Ayn Rand answer the "Is Atlas Shrugging?" question by saying that we will know it when freedom of speech and the press is removed.

    If you find that you fear to speak up (or publish) except in allegorical form, then censorship is upon you. I think it's a barometer--we see the Republicans currently acting as if they dare not oppose Obama too sharply, for fear of being blamed for the next crisis. Still, there is, at this point, no crime in writing an anti-government blog, or in going to see a screening of We the Living, The Fountainhead, or Atlas Shrugged.

    A "kill switch" for the Internet would shut down the avenue of free speech we are using right here, but it would also shut down a tremendous amount of commerce.

    Governments and businesses rely on the Internet. Anonymity is still possible. And I still have a couple of 9600-baud modems that can use dial-up or hard-wired connections.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I just want to know how buying Smithfield Farms plays into their evil plot? Hands off my bacon! *grumble-grumble*
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  • Posted by Briteblackfilms 11 years, 4 months ago
    Things are seldom as bad as we fear, and never as good as we hope. I think the easiest and least useful thing is simply to snap to the worst possible future without dreaming and pushing for a better one.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your welcome. If it weren’t for the holidays I would have curled up with it by now. I’m going to want an autograph version at some point. I’ll let you know!
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It is a Discworld fantasy -2011. It’s not as well written as his earlier works. Mr. Pratchett was diagnosed with early-onset of Alzheimer’s disease back in 2007. I will miss his prose and parodies.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, I'm aware of that; after the Tet Offensive, the Viet Cong were pretty much done for and the war was conducted against the NVA.

    My point was that A) the communists used infighting to gain control and B) even though they lost, Vietnam still ended up a People's state.
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  • Posted by xthinker88 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm not advocating a revolution however. I originally was just throwing Claire Wolfe's quote into the mix. And I'm kind of asking the philosophical question of when is enough enough and when is violent reaction justified?

    It is hard for me to believe that the founders, if they stepped through a time capsule and saw our current state of government, would not be reaching for their muskets pretty quickly.
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  • Posted by xthinker88 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Viet Cong lost the war for South Vietnam. When South Vietnam fell it was through a full scale conventional armored blitzkrieg by North Vietnam.

    As for supply lines. Consider this. Most major cities in the US have 3 days or less of food in the city. That includes DC although if I had to guess, I would guess DC would even be lower. All of that food has to travel by truck through areas that would likely be dominated by folks unhappy with the central government.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If there is a revolution, it will most likely be instigated by the progressives/socialists/communists, and blamed on the conservatives/libertarians/Objectivists.

    They will then gain control of the rebellion, and if victorious, we will have given ourselves a glorious People's state. As happened to the Viet Cong and South Vietnam.

    (originally, the communists were a minority among the many diverse political factions in the Viet Cong; the communists played one against another until they were left in charge... per one of the founders of the Viet Cong)
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, I agree with you but that ignores the fact that the British government had exceptionally long supply lines. With no hope of direct support from the crown for several months. Whereas it would be a local issue with virtually no distance on supply lines.

    Additionally, there is no reasonable method of organizing without the government able to observe nearly everything. I personally would support a movement right this moment if I believed there was any hope of success. Sadly I do not and will therefore continue to try to work within the system even though I know it is destined to failure.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 11 years, 4 months ago
    I think China is going to cause our crash. They're buying gold at a extraordinary rate, taking real-estate by force, buying gems out of Southeast Asia and Madagascar by the bag-full. Maybe they're buying strategic metals to corner the market and then sell at inflated prices. I'm sure that they would want gold as payment for these products could potentially wreck the world economy. Then what?
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  • Posted by jsw225 11 years, 4 months ago
    "that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."

    This, in my opinion, is the best line in the entirety of the Declaration of Independence. It highlights our current predicament. Life, as it stands, is easy. It's easy to accept all of life's wrongs when you know little else.

    The founding fathers had courage to know this, and to fight for what they knew was right, even if the odds were severely against them.
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  • Posted by $ Genez 11 years, 4 months ago
    There will be a crash. But whether it will be "hard" & "complete" is the part that is debatable. Personally, I don't think those in power will allow it to crash completely. Otherwise, there have been points at which it would have already. Whether it's through a new currency, a freezing of all debts & assets, whatever the circumstances, there will be some hard controls put in place, but the overall economy will go on. There is enough interaction with foreign economies that even if there is a hard crash of the dollar, there will still be trade. It will simply be restated. Either a new currency will be put in place or values will be restated. (ie $1 = .10).. That's why, I really don't worry about debt, crazy as that sounds. It's all in inflated currency anyway. The only thing that matters is material ownership.. For instance, homes, even if there is a hard crash and martial law is instituted, they can't foreclose on every house.. So get in one, pay your bills now, and when things crash, stop. In a crash no on else will be paying either.. Main points of concern are shelter (taken care of..), water, & food.. and if it's not a long term crash (like I think) then you just have to be prepared to get by for a few weeks or at most a few months.. until things are smoothed out...which is why I garden, learning to can, etc..
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  • Posted by xthinker88 11 years, 4 months ago
    "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." --- Claire Wolfe
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    this is like some zen version of Objectivism. Rand clearly did not say you can ignore what the world is doing around you, you can find happiness in any situation.
    In We the Living, the heroine not only risks her life but gives up her child-because the situation was so intolerable. She did not suggest that Kira find inner peace or surround herself with "heroic art" and ignore the oppression around her.
    In The Fountainhead, the destruction of one man's creation is so important, he chose to destroy a building. Do you suggest the American Revolution was a mistake?
    In Atlas Shrugged, Dagny kills someone for not making a decision fast enough. Yes, all fiction- yet powerful enough for Men to consider action-of many kinds. She did say as long as you still have the freedom of speech, you should use it as a primary action- but the noose on that has been tightening as well (see recent AP reporter scandals)
    The situation in the US is much worse today than at the time of the Revolution, as far as liberties are concerned.
    Whether you agree or not with this post, your assertion that:
    "Atlas Shrugged" has been seized by religious fundamentalists who dream of immanentizing the eschaton" ignores American History.
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  • Posted by geneligman 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Wonky,

    And so you confirm Mike's premise that happiness is integrated with reason. The fact that earned success gives you pleasure, but unearned does not means that you have used your rational judgement and have a reaction based upon important...no, essential...differentia. All emotional responses are simply instantaneous responses made by your subconscious, that massively parallel processing part of your brain that can sum up and compare inputs against your own code of ethics (which is the operating code, so to speak for that parallel processor). You feel anger, or joy, or sadness, or disdain quickly and powerfully. Your reactions are sometimes at odds with your conscious logic because the serial processor can only consider one bit at a time. The subconscious detects errors and contradictions not visible, or purposefully obfuscated by a logical argument.
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  • Posted by geneligman 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Mike, I like pretty much everything you post. Thanks for taking the time to learn how to be an Objectivist, and then taking the time to add some clarity to this website. I just wanted to say, "good work".
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