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Conservative groups spend up to $1bn a year to fight action on climate change | Environment | theguardian.com

Posted by TruthFreedom1 11 years, 4 months ago to Government
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This is an interesting article on the counter movement on climate change. The problem we face in Canada is government cuts to funding of NGOs and actually calling environmental Groups terrorists. They always seem to point out that some organizations in the States are sending money to help the environmentalists fight for responsible resource extraction while they use our tax dollars and millions from Corporations to fight back. Those funds from organizations States side and other places only help balance the playing field. Nothing but lying scammers.


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  • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well... You and H have worn me out... I am getting tired of the argument now. In leaving the discussion. We will as I told H. just have to be civil and agree that we disagree on these issues. I still believe in Liberty, a Free Market, and my right as an individual to have my own opinions on matter. No offense was ever taken and none was ever intended:
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  • Posted by Lucky 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Caution, long boring posting, you do not have to read it.

    A question that sociologists will ask- how was an exaggerated scare, based on so little evidence, poor reasoning and petty namecalling, kept alive for two whole decades? The answer is, it is weight of money. Whose money? Need you ask? Yours for the most part.
    Source 1- //joannenova.com.au/2011/10/map-the-climate-change-scare-machine-the-perpetual-self-feeding-cycle-of-alarm/

    Examples: on one side the $23M from Exxon has wide publicity. There are as well:
    CATO $20.4M pa total revenue
    AEI $28.8M pa "
    Heartland $7.7M pa "
    Koch donated $25 thousand to Heartland in 2011 earmarked for a health care project.

    On the other side
    Natural Resources Defense Council $95.4M pa revenue
    World Wildlife Fund $238.5M pa " .
    Exxon gave more than 20 times as much for a single renewables research project than it did to skeptics.
    Royal Dutch Shell is a very big and regular contributor (amount secret), including to Greenpeace. (terrorists endanger Russian oil rigs, or protection money?)
    Other big oil tho' vastly outdone by Big Government.
    US government. $79 billion plus.
    and many many more.
    The chart with money flow numbers is here.
    source 2- //jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/artwork/mudslinger-map/climate-scare-machine.pdf

    Data of July 2013 Source 3
    //theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com.au/2013/07/the-big-lie-sceptics-funded-by-big-oil.html

    Al Gore sold a TV network for $xxM profit to oil state Qatar's Al Jazeera- "a Qatar government outlet that ran every terrorist video and hates America." Al Gore is a receiver rather than source of money, but note the big source for him. Similarly, Dana Nuccitelli, notorious alarmist blogger and contributor to (UN)Skeptical Science is paid by big oil.
    Source 4- //www.climatedepot.com/2013/07/24/the-big-lie-sceptics-funded-by-big-oil-no-the-alarmists-are/
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  • Posted by Lucky 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But it is your claim that needs support.. The source quoted says: 'The expansive misinformation campaign behind climate change denial is increasingly being funded in the dark,"
    That is, they don't know. Whereas you can see the published material of National Geographic, Scientific American, New Scientist -who put out propaganda, and Penn State U, and Harvard who give massive support. The $20m from ExxonMobil, once, 6 (?) years ago, is small change compared with what they give to climate alarmism. The accounts of say Heartland are available - a million a year and a few staff. Nothing compared with the staff of just any US state environment department. Pew and Soros money (oil and currency speculation) is noble but less money from Koch is evil apparently, and government money extracted by force (tax) is a thousand times greater.
    The big corporates do contribute big, 95% of it goes to one side, to the side that gives back, and more, in contracts for useless products and studies.
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  • Posted by Lucky 11 years, 4 months ago
    Big contributors to climate change alarmism:
    Ted Turner. Pew Foundation (oil money). George Soros. Richard Branson. All the big oil companies. Greenpeace (try to find out from their accounts where the money comes from). Sierra Club. GE. the big universities. and many many others. The biggest source is .. me and probably you as well via government.
    The amount of money going into alarmism is vastly more than that amount going into skepticism.

    Consider the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, it is about 380 parts per million.

    Climate change alarmism gets more than one million for every 380 that skepticism gets. Of the 380, it is all voluntary, of the one million most is taken without consent by taxation.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Flip side: https://www.commondreams.org/headline/20... Exxon, Koch Brothers Foundation all fund huge the CCCM, The Pew Foundation was started by a charitable Trust arranged by the surviving children of the founder of Sun Oil . They do not actively fund the organization. George Soros and Richard Branson are wealthy Philanthropists who have contributed a lot to humanitarian work around the world and yes... That includes raising awareness about environmental issues... Not just Global Climate issues. Prove to me a big oil firm exists that actively promotes climate change as being real?
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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago
    truth, you are using phrases that smack of big government support. "NGO," "responsible resource extraction," "government cuts"....
    I would imagine libertarian organizations are also spending money to fight "action" by governments for belief-based "climate change." I guess we are no longer just calling it warming. Have you read Atlas Shrugged?
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  • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There are extremists within every ideology. I believe that nature is here for our benefit and as such we should be responsible in how we interact with it. I am not against using earth resources; where the heck would we be without them or the technology which allows us to interact at the blink of an eye or refine those resources.... I agree with Heinlein. Extremists exist everywhere... I am not one. I would classify myself as a moderate looking for a debate with other open minded individuals about the issues which concern me.
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Posted: "It no longer has much at all to do with political ideologies."

    Absolutely true. In ancient Egypt it was the Pharos who ruled. In Rome the Senate. In the middle and dark ages it was religion. During the emergence after that it was the Royals.

    In America it started with the farmers, moved onto the Robber Barons, and eventually Corportracy.

    Today it's the 1% elate calling the shots hiding behind religion and the Republican party. .
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually Hiraghm "Naturalists" are just like any other bunch of folks... Nudists possess all points of view.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks for the clarifying that. Both left and right are changing fast. Its hard to keep track because they are no longer what we traditionally (As in my parents generation) thought of as left and right. Corporate interference, lobbying (which should be outlawed in my mind) and privately run financial conglomerates dictate the agenda now. It no longer has much at all to do with political ideologies.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Truth will never go away... And don't be fooled by it. If you don't see it that's because its just hidden around the corner waiting for the opportunity to show itself.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your funny!
    I am sorry that you are a denier of climate change.
    1. Science has proven that over the life of the planet that CO2 atmospheric level correlate with temp. rise.
    2. The increase in extreme weather events are a result in changing Jet steam patterns which DO effect weather.
    3. The change in the jet stream is a result of global warming and the melting sea ice in OUR Arctic.
    How are you enjoying your winter State side so far Hiraghm.
    You are correct. We Have no more Conservatives... We have an Oligarchy and it sucks.We are moving toward Fascism quicker than the States.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I haven't forgotten for a moment.

    We were the center of the universe (which explains why the world has gone downhill since)... and God willing, we will be again.

    In Canada you may well have muzzled the scientists. But in Canada... you have no conservatives.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "There are hidden contradictions in the minds of people who "love Nature" while deploring the "artificialities" with which "Man has spoiled 'Nature.'" The obvious contradiction lies in their choice of words, which imply that Man and his artifacts are not part of "Nature" — but beavers and their dams are. But the contradictions go deeper than this prima-facie absurdity. In declaring his love for a beaver dam (erected by beavers for beavers' purposes) and his hatred for dams erected by men (for the purposes of men) the Naturist reveals his hatred for his own race — i.e., his own self-hatred.
    In the case of "Naturists" such self-hatred is understandable; they are such a sorry lot. But hatred is too strong an emotion to feel toward them; pity and contempt are the most they rate.
    As for me, willy-nilly I am a man, not a beaver, and H. sapiens is the only race I have or can have. Fortunately for me, I like being part of a race made up of men and women — it strikes me as a fine arrangement — and perfectly "natural" Believe it or not, there were "Naturists" who opposed the first flight to old Earth's Moon as being "unnatural" and a "despoiling of Nature." - Robert A. Heinlein

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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So, who is going to down check Hiraghm for a personal attack accusing me of working someplace that is obviously perceived negatively around here?

    Sadly global warming is real.

    Oh, proof on muzzling!

    "In a scathing piece published Sunday, the newspaper argues Harper Conservatives have tried to restrict publicly financed scientists from sharing information with the public, particularly research into climate change and "anything to do with Alberta tar sands — source of the diluted bitumen that would flow through the controversial Keystone XL pipeline."

    That's from the NY Times: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/09/23/...
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I make a supported argument for science and again there is an attempt at censorship...

    Sheesh, how can some be so narrow minded?
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But it is the right that denies choice.

    I've listed them several times before Hiraghm.

    Abortion, end of life issues... Remember?
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ah, let's see... I'm told I'm being beaten up for being personal, etc. Yet I state a pleasant alternative reading or listening to talk radio and guess what! Censorship!

    Yup, looks to me like an organized attack.
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, here in America the right wing often screws with personal choice.

    The left is often perceived to want government interference in business.
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  • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You people keep forgetting I am Canadian. No disrespect but you are not the center of the universe. In Canada we have muzzled scientists.
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