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Conservative groups spend up to $1bn a year to fight action on climate change | Environment | theguardian.com

Posted by TruthFreedom1 11 years, 4 months ago to Government
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This is an interesting article on the counter movement on climate change. The problem we face in Canada is government cuts to funding of NGOs and actually calling environmental Groups terrorists. They always seem to point out that some organizations in the States are sending money to help the environmentalists fight for responsible resource extraction while they use our tax dollars and millions from Corporations to fight back. Those funds from organizations States side and other places only help balance the playing field. Nothing but lying scammers.


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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Traditionally I consider Right to be Pro-State and left to be Pro-choice."

    Why am I not surprised you have it exactly backwards?
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The climate change hoax must be faith based because as the evidence against it continues to pile up, the more adamant the acolytes become.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Anyone who's looked at the climate record and realized that weather doesn't equal climate.

    You might try studying a real science, for a change.

    Prove that conservatives have muzzled scientists?
    And how have we managed to decimate environmental protections, when there's more environmental regulation than ever, and the EPA spreads its tentacles into every facet of civilization.

    You work for the SSI, don't you? C'mon... admit it...

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    Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nope! But remember if you read my profile I am studying environmental science. I am a believer in Global Warming or Climate Change... It doesn't matter what you call it. It exists. In Canada our government is decimating groups who are fighting climate change, calling them terrorists and decimating our country with a dig baby dig mentality. Of all the industrialized countries Canada has the worst environmental record despite the spin you may get about it in the States. Government (Supposedly Conservative) has decimated environmental protections, closed science libraries and research centers, muzzled scientists and ministries so they can't speak to the media without vetting. They are slamming all the doors to ensure their dig baby dig agenda goes through. I agree climate change is real. Who would ever think that climate change is "belief based"?
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  • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Re-read the post... I think you misunderstood me. First I said "state-control in property matters with choice in personal matters." Meaning a woman has the right to choose as is the case here in Canada, same as gay marriage. I am pro choice including end of life decisions. (Thats a very personal one for me) it is not allowed anywhere in Canada. I am left and believe in personal choice on all matters which affect me and I am also against big non-transparent government.
    Did I misunderstand you or did you misunderstand me? Remember I am a Canadian and I think our cultural and government differences may give us different views on what left and right traditionally mean. No offense intended.

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  • Posted by khalling 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    it will only help you understand the Objectivist way of thinking-it is a novel outlining Ayn Rand's philosophy, Objectivism. Have you seen the movies AS I and ASII?
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    Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "as I get my hands on a copy"

    Try Audible Books. Listening to it in the car is much more interesting than most of the blather from talk radio where if they want you to have an opinion they will beat it into you.
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  • Posted by Scatghadi 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't much like to "label" people or groups of people; so please forgive me if I don't try to apply one in this case. Especially since I share some of your confusion in the matter.

    Allow me simply to offer a suggestion that has helped me to better define the "framework" I now use to provide me some context in matters of policy, politics, and general approaches concerning where rights start and end for individuals.

    Read Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged". Then read Mark Levine's "Liberty and Tyranny" reverse the order if you need to. Levine's work in quickly consumed but a must read.
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  • Posted by Boborobdos 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Posted: " and that right is the opposite."

    Really? How personal is a woman's choice about continuing an unwanted pregnancy? The right wants to deny that control.

    How personal is a person's choice about end of life issues and getting help in all aspects of it from their doctor? Want to die? Can't in all but Oregon right now.

    Want to not feel pain, better watch out for government controls from the right. Lots of drugs pretty much aren't allowed.


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  • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So the question is... perhaps you can shed some light Scatghadi... If I want less government influence upon my personal self and much more say and transparency on property matters. What does that make me?
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  • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The left-wing views are overwhelmingly about state-control in property matters with choice in personal matters, and that right is the opposite. This is what sorts out the modern left and right. I find it all confusing sometimes which explains my error in defining the differences. For myself, I wish personal pro choice but that the current system of government allowed more debate, transparency and discussion concerning policy, and that policy reflected decisions which are pro health and not necessarily pro money. Pipe dreaming...
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  • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    khalling.
    I always have difficulty defining Libertarianism and the definition has changed over time. Traditionally I consider Right to be Pro-State and left to be Pro-choice. I consider myself left by more than a little. The less government influence in my life the better. I just wanted to clarify this as when people use the word Libertarian I always wonder what their personal view of that is.
    http://www.la-articles.org.uk/pc.htm
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  • Posted by 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thanks khalling.
    It does smack of big government. Our so called conservative government is actually a far right group of extremists (my opinion). You can call it what you want... Climate Change or Global Warming. It all means the same thing to me. All fueled by money and greed. That old saying is true. 'Money corrupts but power and money corrupt absolutely." Never read any of her books but certainly plan to read Atlas Shrugged as soon as I get my hands on a copy. I'm hoping it will help me understand the Libertarian way of thinking. I've been told it will.
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