If any congressman votes for another bill without reading it and being able to explain it to his or her constituents, he or she should be impeached, and all of the votes they've taken while in office should be nullified. Don't wait until the next election.

It is frequently marketed as 'sustainable growth' and various community beautification projects. It is insidious and more stealthy than black mold. More dangerous too.

I had to look it up. For others: "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery" (Thomas Jefferson)

Jan

it seems to me that the constitution is more like
kleenex, or something on a roll, to them. -- j
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anything which is held this closely -- in govt, not like
the formula for Coke -- cannot be good. . the u.s.
sovereignty aspects are the worst, imho. -- j
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But with krugmann opposed, we have to say it probably doesn't go far enough, not that it is good for freedom.

Do the masses really care, understand or want do do anything about TPP? The media seems to be ignoring this issue, so The Voice is still priority #1.

UN Agenda 21, and both Hillary's and Obama's support of it, are very real. It gas been going on in the planning process since before Hillary, as First Lady, was supporting the ideas, even before it had a formal name. Check out the American Policy Center website at www.americanpolicy.org. Tom DeWeese, who sent to the same Ohio high school I did, has been fighting it for years, and has all the resources on that site. Also, read UN Agenda 21: Environmental Piracy by Dr. Ileana Johnson Paugh. She has seen her home area in Romania taken over almost completely by Agenda 21. She reports rolling electricity, no A/C in use, windmills all over, people herded into inner city apts, no refrigeration, and so on.
Our liberal leaders are all for our having no property rights, and it has zero to do with environmentalism. Ultimately, we will lose our property, food will be in short supply (as farms are taken over), no cars, as no place to keep them in inner city apartments without parking lots, it includes plans to control reproduction rights, every aspect of our lives.
It is not one big law pushed on us, that would be easier to fight. No, it is NGOs, trained by UN personnel, to go in and influence and sell the piece by piece zoning changes, tax changes, and city planning to individual towns. Yet most, as in our town, have no idea what Agenda 21 even is. Our poll here showed only one public official had heard of it, yet did not know what it was. Yet they had sought grants which were part of the implementation, their websites referred people to Agenda 21 friendly planning sites they called "favorites:. It is like an oozing cancer which comes into a community piece by piece via planning commissions, heath depts, until local government agencies, until the rights are gone and the restrictions and cost of private property ownership are beyond the reach of the common working man. The Obamas and Clintons will still have their mansions, but the farmers and the workmen will not. They are getting wise to hiding their old terms of "population density" and "smart growth", but look out for them or their idea without the labels, as they are coming for you.

Well, Obama did say he wanted to fundamentally change the United States. I believe he is doing exactly what he said he would do. He has increased SNAP to over $47B, he has increased welfare and taken out the work clause, he has taken over 20% of the US economy with ObamaCare (the ACA), now the TPP is essentially giving the US economy over to the biggest corporations both here and overseas. They will be able to negate any laws that cut profits, can you say Sarbane-Oxley? They will have an independent of any country, team of lawyers to decide what is right, yeah, that is going to work and lawyers will crank up their fees. Generic drugs will no longer exist. What else? I guess we will have to wait until it passes as the politicians are HE double toothpicks bent on putting it through.

What does anyone know about this?
Whatever Obama is for has to be for has to be guano for what is left of the Founding Fathers' USA. .
Great links by the way.

Free trade, unmolested by governments, is a good thing. The concept, as described, goes back to Adam Smith. For example, free trade give China a chance to spend the dollars they have been accumulating. relieving pressure to abandon the Dollar as world currency. It also allows us to buy products we like at they price we are willing to pay, that really is buying "the American way". That is not the kind of free trade we are talking about with this agreement (in the most transparent administration ever).

I don't know the details, does anyone outside the beltway? Based on Obama's record I find it hard to believe USA doesn't end up with our hands tied behind our backs over resources usage and environmental controls. I think Obama's #1 mission is to somehow equalize the differences between US and third world countries, so that all can have an equal share of the prosperity (or misery). If a trade agreement can move the ball in that direction, then Obama will use all of the Reagan style language he can read from a teleprompter to reach his end goal.

Why Reich and Krugman are against it? The agreement must not punish the US as much as they would like.

First thing I was thinking on this: "Equalization of Opportunity".

I like to drive too, but sometimes the time just isn't available, or the distance not practical. I have driven from DC to Yosemite in 2.5 days going from ice storm to snow storm to rain deluge, and stopped 2 nights in a hotel. It's just sometimes not practical.

Always enjoyed that form of travel. Esp to the less traveled areas.

Aaahhh. Despite what others may say, new knowledge is always in fashion.

TSA adds a new pleasure to cross country driving.
(AS audio book helps, too.)

'I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery '
or
"I prefer the tumult of liberty to the quiet of servitude."
used by Jefferson.

Uhhh, I am not proficient in Latin. I can read 'bad' but there it ends. Help???

Been around, just have been quiet.

Agreed. I especially like your last sentence. I wear the English translation on my t-shirt when I deal with tsa. It gets my right knee patted down every time. Of course my 2-handed 1-finger 'salute' as I get scanned might also be a contributing factor.

Hi, johnrobert, good to see you.

As posted here in the past month or so, the TPP is designed to transfer sovereignty from countries (and arguably the people in them) to corporations and the banking/NWO cartel. It is camouflaged as a free trade agreement, but it is as much about free trade as the patriot act is about traditional American patriotism. It is a fraud and those in con-gress who vote for it should be dealt with as traitors.
Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem.