Morality is not a matter of arithmetic. Right and wrong are objectively determinable. I gave sound epistemologic reasons why "Guns" might fit under Technology, for example. Basically however, the gun people are having a good discussion right now, one of several here. They can place them under History or Politics or Technology, etc., as appropriate.

khalling wrote: "Sigh, unfortunately we are outnumbered on this one M M. One of the qualities that make this site unique is that it 's about shared interest in the movies first and foremost. ... we have added at least one category since I came on board."

What was that new category? Was it conceptually at the same level of abstraction as the others? Nothing stands out to me. I suppose that Videos might be with Movies and Books under Media, but that would force Legislation under Politics. I think that strict outline form might be inappropriate. The taxonomy I see here seemed to be intuitively obvious and "Guns" just stand out as would "Sports Cars."

If we have a shared interest in "Atlas Shrugged" then Guns really has little place here on its own as a special forum. Scott had to remind me of a third instance of guns in the book; none was significant. Francisco just stood behind the chimney firing (pg 924 ppb). Are those automatics or revolvers? Glocks, SigSauers, or Colts? It does not really matter. Guns are not that important.

The other two instances involve Rearden being willing to shoot two police officers to protect Ragnar Danneskjold and Dagny killing a soldier who was mentally paralyzed. Aside from the dramatic fiction, the makes and models were irrelevant.

Again, I point to Numismatics which is far more important to capitalism, but for which no special need exists to create a separate forum.

If six people are enough to lobby for an abandonment of the menu structure, where does it stop? Quite a few people here like beer. Alcoholic beverages receive only passing notice in the book, but do have more visibility in the movie.

The "Atlas Shrugged Part 2" flying a jet is very important to the drama of the opening and closing. In the book, Dagny flew a piston engine plane. We do not need an Aviation category because we have no special interest in flying despite the fact that it is significant in the story and actually shared by some here. (Again, see my post on "Aviation Culture" under Culture.)

I mean, really, if we had an interest any kinds of machineries, would they not be (1) railroads and (2) electric motors?

What justifies a special forum for guns? Again, perhaps it is a Technology. But we already discuss them freely as appropriate.

42 grains is a lot of power there. I have been working up using a Hornady 150 grain FMJBT. Right now I am at 40 grains of Benchmark. Yeah, I am not really expecting 1,000 yard performance, but I want to get to about 500 yards with a setup that would still perform fairly well using standard ball NATO rounds as a readily available alternative ammo supply. That is what’s keeping me in the 150 grain range.

Once I get it where I want it I plan on loading some using 150 grain Hornady Interbond and go stick me a pig. I have heard that wild boar is very close to domestic pig in taste, so I am going to find out for myself.

Thanks for the weight tip. Right now I have to stock stuffed with bushcraft stuff, fire starting supplies, etc.

The RA is a pretty good rifle. The barrel is a bit light for long range work, but out to 500yds or so it will do great.

If you aren't carrying it, you might pull off the buttplate and see if the buttstock is hollow. If it is, you can pour some shotgun shot into a ziplock baggy and stuff it in the hollow. Some guys drill the stock to do the same thing. The added weight will help with the recoil and help with keeping the rifle locked into sandbags.

The more solid the position is, the better the accuracy will be.

Now if you are carrying it as a hunting rifle, you can do the same trick, but aim for balancing the rifle right in front of the trigger guard. If you have a bipod up front, you can put more shot in there.

As for load data, every rifle is different and what works for me might give you a 3" group at 100yds. That said, I like Hodgdon Benchmark and load it with a 168gr Nosler Custom Competition at 42 grains. That is close to the max load for that round and might exceed the limits of the RA - approach it cautiously. Work up from 38 grains if you try it.

My rifles that I use this round in have much heavier barrels and receivers than the RA, but it's a very accurate combo in my guns.

BTW, I'd never shoot this load in my M1A1. Doing so would break the action for certain.

I posted an article where homeland security wanted to set up a sting and forced homeowners to give up their house for the sting. The homeowners accused them of kidnapping and illegally seizing their property.

Sigh, unfortunately we are outnumbered on this one M M. One of the qualities that make this site unique is that it 's about shared interest in the movies first and foremost. Although Objectivism is discussed- looking for some twists that keep our audience enthused merits a look see. I have no idea what the admin are thinking regarding this but we have added at least one category since I came on board.

Star; Now that's some pretty interesting shooting.

Wow. Me with a handgun at 100 yards would be a matter of luck. LOL I just finished a Ruger American in .308 that I am looking to stretch out a bit. It's grouping right at .75" at 100 yards, so I think there is potential there if I can get my load data exactly right.

I forgot to mention Adams too.

I use two rifles, both Savage 10BA one in .308 for up to 1000 yds and the other is and.338 Lapula for 1200 and over. My shotgun is a special built slug gun that started life as a 870, but the only thing still the same is the receiver. My pistol is a Thompson Contender with a 14" barrel chambered in 45/70 with a 12x scope. I also shoot a 1911 @ the 100yd targets when I can get somebody to take a bet about my hitting it. Not too many takers anymore, I practice that shot a couple days a week.

Of course I build all my own ammo so I can tune it to the gun.

Until we get rid of the EPA????

I'll vote for it. Many of the other sites I visit for this type of conversation are just a little too.

A little too, go to the woods and get serious.

That sounds either really masochistic or really fun. Probably a bit of both! What's the preferred rounds? I would assume .308, 3" 12 ga, and... hmmm... 357 with a light spitzer style bullet? I always wanted to play with something like that for a 44 mag, tho it seems too big to be light enough for flat trajectory...

Any time MattFranke. I'm a long range target shooter, who also enjoys a form of 3 gun that is modified for long range shooters. Rifle @ 500-1500yds, shotgun @ 100yds (with slugs) and pistol @ 100-200yds.

A target with the center still in it points to the loser. :)

I like guns. You like guns, too? We should hang out sometime.
The first thing I thought was missing when I got here to the Gulch was a thread on self-sufficiency, preparedness, self-defense, and 'arms' of all sorts, particularly, GUNS. 8-D

How about a 12 ga instead? I learned to like coffee as a 11 year old kid when I started shooting trap... Good memories, those, ones every kid (especially girls) should try!

Everyone of them are my friend. I wish we could do something about it, but it seems that the only cure will be the one envisioned in our favorite book. Back out and let it die from it's own curse, and start over, trying to fix the areas that Jefferson and Monroe screwed up.

Bring your rifle and have a cup of coffee? :)

With the open assaults on the Bill of Rights we'd need 'Cafe's for all of the amendments but one.

Question: Which amendment of the first ten is not under open assault?

too... too what? I gotta know, the suspense is killin' me. :-)

Think of all the targets I've missed
Think of missing scumbags - that just makes me pissed
If you check off, my list today
Next year those bad guys will all be, DOA...

Now that's a rocking jingle!!!!