6/1/2015--The Counted: People killed by police in the US, During 2015 = 470

Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 11 months ago to Government
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The Guardian has compiled a unique and detailed, searchable, and interactive database and presentation of Americans killed by Police this year (470 through 6/1). There are other sites that are out there gathering information from citizen volunteers, but this one by The Guardian offers more detail and info in one place than any other I’ve seen. For those interested from either side of the issue, I highly recommend checking it out.

Needless to say, since my last post on this topic, America’s police have maintained their nearly 4/day kill rates and for the most part, their DA’s have continued justifying and protecting them from the consequences.

I reviewed one in particular from Salt Lake City last year, just today that is horrifying to watch from the Officer’s body camera. The complete video/audio was just released to the public. You can view it at : http://thefreethoughtproject.com/graphic...

As I viewed this shooting, the first thing that came to mind was the revelation of the 'No More Hesitation Target' story from last year about shooting range targets designed to remove any hesitation in real life street encounters between police and citizens that included pregnant women, mother with child, grade school age children, the elderly, etc. One story can be reviewed at Reason Magazine: http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/25/law-en...

From the article:
“According to a statement the company sent Reason last week, members of the law enforcement community inspired Law Enforcement Targets Inc. to design the "No More Hesitation" series in the first place:
The subjects in NMH targets were chosen in order to give officers the experience of dealing with deadly force shooting scenarios with subjects that are not the norm during training. I found while speaking with officers and trainers in the law enforcement community that there is a hesitation on the part of cops when deadly force is required on subjects with atypical age, frailty or condition (one officer explaining that he enlarged photos of his own kids to use as targets so that he would not be caught off guard with such a drastically new experience while on duty). This hesitation time may be only seconds but that is not acceptable when officers are losing their lives in these same situations. The goal of NMH is to break that stereotype on the range, regardless of how slim the chances are of encountering a real life scenario that involves a child, pregnant woman, etc. If that initial hesitation time can be cut down due to range experience, the officer and community are better served.”

From my memory of the stories about the targets and their use, what I don’t remember reading was how long Police Depts. had been training their officers at shooting ranges in this ‘No More Hesitation Shooting’, or what DHS did with the $2,000,000 worth of those targets that they had already ordered And I don’t doubt that training has a great deal to do with the number and types of un-armed shootings we’re seeing.

From the SLC shooting linked above, I have no doubt that Officer had passed his ‘No More Hesitation’ training class with an A+.

Let me repeat one sentence from the article above: "one officer explaining that he enlarged photos of his own kids to use as targets so that he would not be caught off guard with such a drastically new experience while on duty."


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sorry dude you leftists voted it out. It's the Patriot Act now. Rights? You don't get no steeeenkin' rights. Leftist. did you vote Republican or Democrat.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Time to insert a wave at the cop lesson. I got this in Academy first thing on the blackboard.
    a. You are police officer everyone else are assholes
    b. One day you will be parked by the roadside and notice people are waving. You will realize your first thought was "Wonder what that asshole is trying to cover up."

    It's true, It happened then I remembered number three.

    If you believe number one and number two will happen you will be in deep wet shit.

    Thus started the lesson on citizen involvement.
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  • Posted by RonC 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We have a difference of opinion. I recall seeing the gendarmes roll up on the terrorists in Paris. They realized the bad guys had firearms while the police were armed with whistles. I recall seeing those first responders retreat, in reverse, at an unsafe speed. On the other hand a traffic cop put a stop to the shooting at the "Draw Mohammed event" in Texas. How many artists would have died had the traffic cop used his whistle?

    We have a sort of neutered policing in Baltimore these days and the kill rate is the highest since the 60s. Not the police on civilians, the civilians killing each other with no police to protect the innocents. San Francisco was that way in 1849. It got so bad the people armed themselves for protection. When the "lawmen" came to town and finally straightened it up, they built Alcatraz. If we fail to learn from history, we are bound to repeat it.

    On the point of "Harm's Way", yes it is military jargon. I have many friends in police uniforms. If you patrolled Baltimore, Ferguson, or Chicago on an average night would you look at your situation as "Harm's way", or crimes yet to be committed by the innocent until proven guilty? If you can't see the eminent danger before these officers my guess is no one would ride with you because they are counting on you to protect them from eminent danger.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Just following orders or the Nuremberg Defense has long been regarded as a voluntary admission of guilt coupled with a plea for clemency, mercy or a lighter sentence. It's modern counterpart is Victim Of Circumstance.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    DOHS becomes DHS pronounced dis which means disrespect. Interesting choice for a Department supposedly formed to protect the citizens. Freudian Slip or is it a fore runner DISS. Directorate of Internal State Security.
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  • Posted by blackswan 9 years, 11 months ago
    One comment. From January 1 through June 1, you have 152 days. If 470 people were killed during that time, that comes to about 3 people per day (3 x 152 = 456 (plus 14)); 3.092, to be exact, for all of the US, and that includes blacks, whites, Hispanics, Asians, etc. That means that, for the entire year, around 1129 people will succumb to police shootings. If you remove those who were actual thugs, the number of bad shootings vaporize before your eyes. I bet the number of killings in Chicago alone exceed that number, with many of the victims being "pain in the ass innocent bystanders." Where should we focus our attention on this subject? If we're looking at causes of death, 1129 in a year pales into insignificance to other, more pressing issues. It would be best to take a Pareto chart approach to death, if we want to really make a dent in that problem.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    there are a lot of non lethal ways to subdue the bad guys I would think in this day and age. Shooting is a bit of a gross solution to this- other than to let the police exert their ultimate power to kill
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't do racist but US citizens of caucasian descent 55% and there has been claims that 25% are Latino which means Iberia, Europe mixed with native population but not always leaving 20% as African descent (minus a good deal of north Africans and south Africans) and Asians which includes the middle east but not Turkey.. You left out Ira Hayes and friends and the neighborhood. involved. As to your last question i can tell it was because they were sexists as easily seen by the use of the word perSON. the terms have been so balkaniized they essentially are meaningless unless as a racial slur. or reverse racist slur. A good start is get the US government out of the business of being the foremost proponents of racism.If you riead just below by riftsrunner maybe hoods need to be earmarked for literates and illiterates but then where would all the Californians go?
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It depresses me to read and/or research each shooting. Yeah, you find some that are good shoots, but were initiated for BS reasons. You find a lot with people that aren't the best examples in the world, and you find more that the cops and press try to make into bad guys.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Excellent. And too make sure he or she is reasonable and some damn sure aren''t I keep both empty hands in plain view with license, registration and insurance in one hand and pen in the other. the pen always throws a loop.

    What's that for.

    To sign the ticket.

    Do you know why I pulled you over?

    No. But if you are correct it's to sign the ticket.

    And if not?

    I put the pen back in the glove compartment - after you have departed the scene..

    I tend to drive too fast though I did get popped for doing 65 in a 55 for driving too slow one time. I took that one to court.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 11 months ago
    maybe its the police that should not carry guns, rather than us citizens.
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  • Posted by $ Your_Name_Goes_Here 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You've addressed one of the 470... My point - which I KNOW you understand - is that the police on a day-in, day-out basis DO run into bad actors. I trust you are not saying that an officer is not a bad actor if he or she rightfully engages someone...

    In short, in my opinion the data in the article is heavily biased.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The racial issues arise as a result of the socialist welfare system that tells so many people that they're victims and have always been victims. To purge the problem in any racial group, eliminate any and all government welfare systems, completely.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    maybe, just maybe, the police officer should wave to the citizens on his beat. how's that for novel.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    training police officers like we train the military is anti-thetical to what a police force was ever to be in the US. Police were never intended to be soldiers against the citizens. If we want to clean up crime-we are going to have to first not pay people to sit around doing nothing. We are going to have to decriminalize those non-violent ventures that make crime appealing. We are going to have to train our policemen not to run down non-violent criminals because their authority must be supreme. when I was a kid, the police were helpful and friendly. IF I am stopped by a trooper or city police nowadays, there is nothing friendly about the exchange. why is that? It is how they are trained.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    As am I, not only do they hurt like hell, but sometimes they kill you. Doesn't give a cop the right to violate the 4th and 5th amendment.
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