6/1/2015--The Counted: People killed by police in the US, During 2015 = 470

Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 11 months ago to Government
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The Guardian has compiled a unique and detailed, searchable, and interactive database and presentation of Americans killed by Police this year (470 through 6/1). There are other sites that are out there gathering information from citizen volunteers, but this one by The Guardian offers more detail and info in one place than any other I’ve seen. For those interested from either side of the issue, I highly recommend checking it out.

Needless to say, since my last post on this topic, America’s police have maintained their nearly 4/day kill rates and for the most part, their DA’s have continued justifying and protecting them from the consequences.

I reviewed one in particular from Salt Lake City last year, just today that is horrifying to watch from the Officer’s body camera. The complete video/audio was just released to the public. You can view it at : http://thefreethoughtproject.com/graphic...

As I viewed this shooting, the first thing that came to mind was the revelation of the 'No More Hesitation Target' story from last year about shooting range targets designed to remove any hesitation in real life street encounters between police and citizens that included pregnant women, mother with child, grade school age children, the elderly, etc. One story can be reviewed at Reason Magazine: http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/25/law-en...

From the article:
“According to a statement the company sent Reason last week, members of the law enforcement community inspired Law Enforcement Targets Inc. to design the "No More Hesitation" series in the first place:
The subjects in NMH targets were chosen in order to give officers the experience of dealing with deadly force shooting scenarios with subjects that are not the norm during training. I found while speaking with officers and trainers in the law enforcement community that there is a hesitation on the part of cops when deadly force is required on subjects with atypical age, frailty or condition (one officer explaining that he enlarged photos of his own kids to use as targets so that he would not be caught off guard with such a drastically new experience while on duty). This hesitation time may be only seconds but that is not acceptable when officers are losing their lives in these same situations. The goal of NMH is to break that stereotype on the range, regardless of how slim the chances are of encountering a real life scenario that involves a child, pregnant woman, etc. If that initial hesitation time can be cut down due to range experience, the officer and community are better served.”

From my memory of the stories about the targets and their use, what I don’t remember reading was how long Police Depts. had been training their officers at shooting ranges in this ‘No More Hesitation Shooting’, or what DHS did with the $2,000,000 worth of those targets that they had already ordered And I don’t doubt that training has a great deal to do with the number and types of un-armed shootings we’re seeing.

From the SLC shooting linked above, I have no doubt that Officer had passed his ‘No More Hesitation’ training class with an A+.

Let me repeat one sentence from the article above: "one officer explaining that he enlarged photos of his own kids to use as targets so that he would not be caught off guard with such a drastically new experience while on duty."


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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What struck me was that we were so upset by those targets last Feb/13, when we learned about it, but no-one has talked about it since. Particularly after so much attention has started to focus on police shootings.

    Our attention spans are so limited.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    you assume far too much but that doesn't count as the information I asked for. I lived in the old days when it took more than one day. None of which answers the question nor provides the information requested. Although that is in and of itself an answer. Red herring number one - X Ring.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Interesting. Most of them that claim 'fear for my life', state that the victim was coming at them. In this one, the guy can clearly be seen walking away, then turning around to face the cop, but still backpedaling while shot. And he wasn't even black.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Didn't you read within the last 2 months of the white guy in Florida that was pulled over by the SWAT team in their MRAP for 'waving' at the cops as they drove by? Doesn't look like they responded well to being 'waved' at by a lowly citizen.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 11 months ago
    Yes, some police are too quick on the trigger. The Salt Lake City video is quite disturbing. The justice system that would exonerate this cop and a government that would encourage aggressive policing and make so many laws that everyone is guilty of something are all culpable to some degree. The victim could have just as easily been deaf. Just because a suspect does not respond immediately, does not a license to kill provide.
    Sad. :( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FDlcwU-...
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sounds like you enjoyed being the 'Statist Shooter'. I wouldn't be surprised if you called yourself an 'Operator.'
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, they have been and are being trained with 'No More Hesitation' targets and routines.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Anyone that calls that shooting justifiable is themselves an animal, not a reasoning human being.
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    Posted by NealS 9 years, 11 months ago
    How ironic as to the timing of this article. Earlier this morning as I left my coffee group, I asked my waitress to give me the tab from the booth with three Highway Patrol Officers and just tell them it's taken care of. It's my way of telling them, "thank you for your service". They do what I don't have to do to keep our streets and highways safe, and it's a dangerous service job. And some of our leaders are making it more difficult with their big prejudiced mouths.

    As far as the Salt Lake video, the video isn't very clear and doesn't tell enough of the story. Perhaps the officer was a little early in his decision. In any case I'd suggest everyone put their hands up when told to do so by a police officer, or actually anyone else with a gun. These incidents involve a lot of adrenalin, and sometimes the adrenaline takes over, I can definitely attest to that. It's no different than in a combat situation. Sometimes it's better to shoot, or shoot first, than to be sorry or to not be at all.

    I see little difference between some of these incidents where the target taunts the cop, compared to where Saddam Hussain taunted the United States. It matters little whether he had WMD’s or not, don’t taunt the man with the gun. You could be dead right. All these things are related these days with the instant media we have. If we hadn’t gone to Iraq, Iran would be taunting even more than they are today. I’m sure glad I didn’t join the Sheriff’s Dept. or move up to supreme commander of our military, I’d already blown up much of Iraq just for their arrogance and threats to other countries. Something, I guess, I learned in Vietnam, kill or be killed.

    If we don’t want the police to take control and be able to order someone to put their hands up, then we should let them find other jobs and take our chances on our own. Nothing is cut and dry, and the advantage has to remain with the cops, not the criminals.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But how about the individual Americans that are the parts and pieces of these organizations, 'Just following orders'.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    An element that no one's been telling for a long time. A dark underbelly of policing in America.
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  • Posted by Ben_C 9 years, 11 months ago
    Where is the outrage? Of the 472 reported deaths by police 238 are white and 136 are black. The rest are unknown, Hispanic, or Asian. Shouldn't there be a national outcry by white ministers about racial profiling of white people and the almost 2 to 1 ratio of killings? Where is the white Al Sharpton when we need him. It is safer to be black than white. And if this website information is true then why doesn't the media report this data?
    The Ferguson effect is in full force and I suspect the unwritten police agenda is to let the bad guys kill off each other with hopefully minimal collateral damage. Proactive policing got them in trouble with The DOJ so the Ferguson effect is the result. But no outcry if a white person is killed. Wonder why?
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  • Posted by hattrup 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The caution to exercise your constitutional rights is a very good one. There are so many laws on the books that almost all of us are criminals multiple times throughout the day - it is only whether you become a target for enforcement that determines whether you will be fined or arrested.
    Criminal activity such as: Making a cash deposit of slightly less than $10K, leaving your secured child in a conditioned, running, securely locked car for a minute or two, having a K-9 "alert" (LOL) near you or your home/car, running (away) if an officer is nearby, growing medicinal herb in 19 legal states, watering you garden more than 2xweek (California), ... etc.
    I am sure you have even better examples.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 11 months ago
    DHS paid for this training, many more citizens are now being killed AND now Pres. Obama is pushing for a national police force.

    Sounds like the Hegelian Dialectic to me.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Most people in the military wouldn't qualify you want the shooters not the moochers. But it's two completely different mind sets although the REMFs try to use one to guide the other. Soldiers kill people and break things They have certain rules to follow but the rules are different although soldiers and police have one thing in common. A country that doesn't back them up and WTF they represent the main two legitimate reasons for government to exist.

    As for the numbers presented completely insufficient to draw any conclusions nor were the ones presented given the present climate in the USA enough to draw much interest. Now had you mentioned the rise of federal police departments and their powers in the last 30 years...

    As for No hesitation? Wow they got a name for it finally? In our department it was no warning shots, no wounding shots, shoot twice, the 158 grain .38 cal. lead bullets were banned in favor of 39 + P 125 grain SJHP. We used a .357 revolver as it was both stainless and could handle the souped up .38 round. Surprise for some all of that and .357 are all the same diameter. the rest is advertising. so is the .380 round AKA 9mm kurz. Why do police and soldiers fire so many 9mm rounds? Because it takes a lot of them per target but they sound so PC. Unarmed but on angel dust? Better bring Dirty Harry along.

    As for insurance risk? Not even apples an organges more like apples and potatoes. Has to do with proven accident rates and their penchant for driving excessive hoursl. Same reason an 18 year old girl pays more insurance than a 40 year old man. Proven accident rates.

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