6/1/2015--The Counted: People killed by police in the US, During 2015 = 470

Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 11 months ago to Government
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The Guardian has compiled a unique and detailed, searchable, and interactive database and presentation of Americans killed by Police this year (470 through 6/1). There are other sites that are out there gathering information from citizen volunteers, but this one by The Guardian offers more detail and info in one place than any other I’ve seen. For those interested from either side of the issue, I highly recommend checking it out.

Needless to say, since my last post on this topic, America’s police have maintained their nearly 4/day kill rates and for the most part, their DA’s have continued justifying and protecting them from the consequences.

I reviewed one in particular from Salt Lake City last year, just today that is horrifying to watch from the Officer’s body camera. The complete video/audio was just released to the public. You can view it at : http://thefreethoughtproject.com/graphic...

As I viewed this shooting, the first thing that came to mind was the revelation of the 'No More Hesitation Target' story from last year about shooting range targets designed to remove any hesitation in real life street encounters between police and citizens that included pregnant women, mother with child, grade school age children, the elderly, etc. One story can be reviewed at Reason Magazine: http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/25/law-en...

From the article:
“According to a statement the company sent Reason last week, members of the law enforcement community inspired Law Enforcement Targets Inc. to design the "No More Hesitation" series in the first place:
The subjects in NMH targets were chosen in order to give officers the experience of dealing with deadly force shooting scenarios with subjects that are not the norm during training. I found while speaking with officers and trainers in the law enforcement community that there is a hesitation on the part of cops when deadly force is required on subjects with atypical age, frailty or condition (one officer explaining that he enlarged photos of his own kids to use as targets so that he would not be caught off guard with such a drastically new experience while on duty). This hesitation time may be only seconds but that is not acceptable when officers are losing their lives in these same situations. The goal of NMH is to break that stereotype on the range, regardless of how slim the chances are of encountering a real life scenario that involves a child, pregnant woman, etc. If that initial hesitation time can be cut down due to range experience, the officer and community are better served.”

From my memory of the stories about the targets and their use, what I don’t remember reading was how long Police Depts. had been training their officers at shooting ranges in this ‘No More Hesitation Shooting’, or what DHS did with the $2,000,000 worth of those targets that they had already ordered And I don’t doubt that training has a great deal to do with the number and types of un-armed shootings we’re seeing.

From the SLC shooting linked above, I have no doubt that Officer had passed his ‘No More Hesitation’ training class with an A+.

Let me repeat one sentence from the article above: "one officer explaining that he enlarged photos of his own kids to use as targets so that he would not be caught off guard with such a drastically new experience while on duty."


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Done took about one hour to get to the meat of it and a rather detailed day by day report.
    Wikpedia then Cato Institute the answer is yes we need a change in the white house to get the problem looked at much less addressed. A serious change.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    the part the missing link missed

    Wikpedia time to find 37 seconds.

    Listed below are lists of people killed by law enforcement in the United States, whether in the line of duty or not, and regardless of reason or method. Inclusion in the lists implies neither wrongdoing nor justification on the part of the person killed or the officer involved. The listing merely documents the occurrence of a death.



    These lists are incomplete. Although Congress instructed the Attorney General in 1994 to compile and publish annual statistics on police use of excessive force, this was never carried out, and the FBI does not collect these data either.

    [1] The annual average number of justifiable homicides alone was previously estimated to be near 400.

    [2] Updated estimates from the Bureau of Justice Statistics released in 2015 estimate the number to be around 930 per year, or 1240 if assuming that nonreporting local agencies kill people at the same rate as reporting agencies.

    [3] The Washington Post tracked shootings (only) in 2015 and on May 30 reported a rate so far that would be equal to 937 shootings/year (385 as of that date).

    [4] The Guardian is also tracking killings in 2015 and counted 464 killed as of the end of May (rate of 1122/yr).[5].



    The Wikpedia article is backed up sufficiently to have merit.

    But there are some serious questions never asked nor answered.

    What happened to the Attorney General in 1994 who refused to carry out the instructions of Congress presumably signed in to law by ---wait for it--- Bubba himself. Well for one thing she was busy gassing and burning children in Waco Texas. Which if you haven't noticed is why I dubbed her Jackboot Janet Von Flamethrower Reno.

    But that law was in effect for six years of the Clinton Presidency who having laid off a huge number of federal law enforcement in units such as the Border Patrol then back tracked with the 100,000 Cops Project. Which did lower crime by 8% or so in some very heavily targeted areas but also had two major flaws. It only paid for the first year leaving the local area to continue or not continue through higher taxes. Reportedly a good deal of the 100,000 figure was used to replace previously laid off federal agents I recall specifically Border Patrol.


    To find the missing information needed to support the original post took about 40 minutes. go look at it if for nothing else thatn the graph which didn't allow copying very well. But here is where the real credibility lies and has lain since 2010.

    Clinton Admininstration failed to provide the required reporting for six years too busy gassing and burning children.

    Bush Administation for eight years so ditto the Republican half.

    Obeyme Administration for it's entire time in office. too busy heisting FIFA, running guns, and too busy continuing to set up the Schutz Staffel national police.

    During all of those years the federal government had the perfect big stick and that was aid to local local enforcement money. No report no check.

    So 68 minutes plus some grammar checking and here we have it with plenty of links

    CATO Institute


    Arguing The Case For Police Accountability – Part 1
    May 9, 2010 @ 4:56 PM by David Packman

    cut I didn't cut the meat of it but you should go look it up yourself.....the best part is in the last half

    The argument of small percentages

    I’ve seen people point to one of our daily reviews of police
    misconduct reports and say, “Look, 28 cases in one day! That’s a problem!” to which an antagonist will say “No it’s not, 28 officers is a very small number of the 800,000 police officers in the US!”

    Well, they are right, 28 out of 800,000 is a small percentage and nowhere near a majority of the police population in the US. In fact, our statistics indicate that just under 1000 per 100,000 police officers per year are involved in credible reports of police misconduct. Yes, that translates to under 1% of all police officers.

    cut

    So, what am I talking about?
    Making a point that police misconduct is a problem worth study is a matter of comparing the rates of police misconduct with the rate of crime in the US.


    Why?

    Because, as a percentage of population, criminal activity represents a relatively equally small percentage of the overall population in the US as does the rate of police misconduct… so if you believe that crime is a problem in the US worthy of trillions in tax fund expenditure, then surely police misconduct is worthy of study if it represents an equally large percentage of the police population.

    How So? Well, here’s some numbers taken from the 2008 UCR statistics and 12-months worth of statistics taken from the NPMSRP between April 2009 – March 2010 (a combination of our 2009 annual statistics and our Q1 2010 quarterly statistics):

    As you can see, when we examine violent crime statistics, law enforcement officers appear to be involved in violent crime in a comparable rate with the general population. 432 officers out of every 100,000 compared to 454.5 people out of every 100,000. So, roughly 0.43% vs 0.45%.

    Both seem like small numbers, don’t they? Yet most people would probably tell you that they are worried about the rate of violent crimes… but not police misconduct even though both occur at similar rates statistically.

    If you’re wondering about the homicide rates, “Homicide Charged” compares the number of alleged homicides in general population with the number of police officers actually charged with homicide or murder. The “Homicide” number compares the same general population statistic with the number of officers involved in questionable non-vehicular homicide deaths including deaths in custody as a result of excessive force that were not charged as homicides.


    The statistic for sexual assaults is the stunner for us though. 29.3 per 100,000 in the general population vs 73.3 per 100,000 for law enforcement officers. That would seem to catch people’s attention as a problem, but apparently it doesn’t.

    So, you see, it’s all a matter of context. Sure, .073% is a small percentage of the population of police officers in the US, but that number represents 522 officers per year and is a larger, by over 2x, ratio of the population of police than are the number of alleged sexual assailants in the US general population at .029%.

    So, the next time you find yourself challenged by a law enforcement officer who says that police misconduct isn’t a problem because it only represents a small percentage of the number of police officers in the US. Remember that it really does represent a small percentage but so does crime in the general population but that doesn’t stop people from worrying so much about it that they’ll spend a majority of their tax dollars to fight it.

    And they are still publishing a well sourced list of daily incidents.

    Conclusion: A little research goes a long way. A lot further than sources that are routinely suspect. It also brings up answers to a number of points. in the discussion. Now you all have what you need to determine the merits. I come down as usual with the question of why twelve years of Democrats and eight years of Republicans or twenty years of Government Party have failed to do the job they assigned to themselves. How many more chances you want to give them?
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes and yes. And not too long after return from Nam. Won't tell anymore about either case, but it wasn't a smart move for either of them.

    No doubt you would be charged with homicide.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What should they expect driving down the freeway in their 'Operator' uniforms and gear in a tank.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Founders fought against a standing army and placed the Bill of Rights in the Amendments to stop the kind of situation in which some dummy with a gun from coming on you during your normal day time activities, with that gun drawn, without probable cause that you were involved in criminal activity or actually threatening another.

    And we've allowed our police to turn into exactly what was fought against.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    66
    Arkansas boy drafted, about a week later shows back up at home.
    Pa says, "what you doing boy, they kick you out?"
    Boy says, "No Pa, I really liked the food and a real bed and indoor plumbing"
    "But Pa, First day they issued me a comb. Then took me to another bldg and cut off all my hair."
    "Next day they issued me a tooth brush and tooth paste. Then sat me down and pulled some of my teeth.'
    "But Pa, that third day, they issued me some new skivvies and Pa, I was out of there."
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Don''t count chickens before they hatch. That's the next part. I find it amazing some of this wasn't included to begin with. And more than a little annoying
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The truth for me is that this doesn't have anything to do with the left/right paradigm. This is about people we pay to arrest law breakers (even though I don't agree with most of the laws) and get them before a judge and jury, not beat them up, not shoot them, and not kill them.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Is it a little surprising to you that you can find all kinds of information on cops killed and assaulted, but it doesn't exist on 'civilians'. It's only volunteer citizens and news orgs that have started gathering the deaths data the last two years. Nothing yet on assaults with injuries or shootings that lived.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True i'm working on that now. When you want something done right and all that. It takes some cross checking and like birth dates for ancestors separating wheat from chaff. I doubt I'll get around to all four hundred and some. If you have any particular incident interest let me know.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    First, have you ever had a gun in your face? Either by a cop or a criminal? (there's an imperceptible difference...) People don't always act in a "reasonable" way when unexpectedly faced with a gun. I don't suggest you try it, but trust me, that is usually the case.

    Second, if you, as a citizen, were searching for a person with a gun, who, according to the report, did not commit a crime, but had only displayed a gun (or someone reported a displayed gun, or maybe even made up a report of one) and came across this fellow, who did not display a weapon, did not make any threatening moves against you (in fact, he continued to move away from the cop) and you killed him - would there be any doubt in anyone's mind that you would have committed a murder? Does Herr Cop have special privileges that exempt him from murder? Really?
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Me or the other guy. I've been a US Citizen since first breath. But I can't run for President. And that's exactly how they started the class.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    we still need a proper form of government which implies some authority to protect property rights
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    also, this list in the format we have it in, is kind of obnoxious. It takes up a significant amount of post space. why?
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    the point is-while we the US, keep meticulous records on fallen officers, we do not have good records on citizens shot by officers.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 11 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Holy Moses! I had to look that up.
    All looking stressed got you back in '69 were drill instructors turning up the heat.
    I'll never forget my first morning of waking up on Parris Island.
    A metal trash can was thrown across the concrete floor. Then three D.I's turned in the lights and came in screaming their heads off.
    I was never so scared in my life. And I was freaking drafted!

    http://www.snopes.com/military/stresscar...
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