6/1/2015--The Counted: People killed by police in the US, During 2015 = 470

Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 11 months ago to Government
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The Guardian has compiled a unique and detailed, searchable, and interactive database and presentation of Americans killed by Police this year (470 through 6/1). There are other sites that are out there gathering information from citizen volunteers, but this one by The Guardian offers more detail and info in one place than any other I’ve seen. For those interested from either side of the issue, I highly recommend checking it out.

Needless to say, since my last post on this topic, America’s police have maintained their nearly 4/day kill rates and for the most part, their DA’s have continued justifying and protecting them from the consequences.

I reviewed one in particular from Salt Lake City last year, just today that is horrifying to watch from the Officer’s body camera. The complete video/audio was just released to the public. You can view it at : http://thefreethoughtproject.com/graphic...

As I viewed this shooting, the first thing that came to mind was the revelation of the 'No More Hesitation Target' story from last year about shooting range targets designed to remove any hesitation in real life street encounters between police and citizens that included pregnant women, mother with child, grade school age children, the elderly, etc. One story can be reviewed at Reason Magazine: http://reason.com/blog/2013/02/25/law-en...

From the article:
“According to a statement the company sent Reason last week, members of the law enforcement community inspired Law Enforcement Targets Inc. to design the "No More Hesitation" series in the first place:
The subjects in NMH targets were chosen in order to give officers the experience of dealing with deadly force shooting scenarios with subjects that are not the norm during training. I found while speaking with officers and trainers in the law enforcement community that there is a hesitation on the part of cops when deadly force is required on subjects with atypical age, frailty or condition (one officer explaining that he enlarged photos of his own kids to use as targets so that he would not be caught off guard with such a drastically new experience while on duty). This hesitation time may be only seconds but that is not acceptable when officers are losing their lives in these same situations. The goal of NMH is to break that stereotype on the range, regardless of how slim the chances are of encountering a real life scenario that involves a child, pregnant woman, etc. If that initial hesitation time can be cut down due to range experience, the officer and community are better served.”

From my memory of the stories about the targets and their use, what I don’t remember reading was how long Police Depts. had been training their officers at shooting ranges in this ‘No More Hesitation Shooting’, or what DHS did with the $2,000,000 worth of those targets that they had already ordered And I don’t doubt that training has a great deal to do with the number and types of un-armed shootings we’re seeing.

From the SLC shooting linked above, I have no doubt that Officer had passed his ‘No More Hesitation’ training class with an A+.

Let me repeat one sentence from the article above: "one officer explaining that he enlarged photos of his own kids to use as targets so that he would not be caught off guard with such a drastically new experience while on duty."


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  • Posted by 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Traffic laws are bing used as a revenue source rather than a true safety issue. That makes them unconstitutional, IMO.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, if you've looked at the linked interactive database from the Guardian, you'll note several deaths from Tasers.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I might wish that the protestors had acted more rationally, but they have accomplished a goal. More people are becoming aware of an underlying problem. I haven't heard about any cops being killed recently in Baltimore.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Any method forceful enough to subdue can also have lethal results depending on circumstance. Either with or without intent for a lethal result.

    Any use of force to overpower is sufficient to kill if applied in the right or wrong way.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Roy, IMO you should not be carrying a gun. At least until you get some better shoot/don't shoot training.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Roy; that cop and I, and I hope you too if you carry, have had a hell of a lot more training in shooting situations than any kid on the street. In the first case, the cop had no business whatsoever in having his gun out and pointed at the guy while he was walking away and the cop was trying to get his attention. A Quick Trip is not a combat zone. There was no threat. The cop had on body armor and he had a buddy walking up on the kid from his right side (with his gun holstered).

    The cop's unreasonable initiation of contact was what ultimately led to this kid's death which I saw no reason for, as well as a lot of stupid decisions or reactions by the cop during the encounter. The cop's reactions immediately following the double tap are particularly telling. He showed no concern for the victim, he showed no adrenaline reaction, and no regret. This was a bad shoot. If I'd ever had such an idiot in a squad or team with me, I'd have gotten rid of him so fast, his head would have spun.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Enforcing traffic laws isn't unconstitutional, just less exciting than apprehending serious criminals. Enacting warrantless searches is another matter, and police need to be held accountable for violations of any of our constitutional rights. The courts have recently begun to take unlawful property seizure by law enforcement more seriously, prosecuting some offenders, so there may be some hope of rectifying that rights violation.

    The use of body cameras and public rights to the video should help prevent serious violations by law enforcement. The flip side of that is that those cameras should help police against false claims of abuse, and I have spoken to some in law enforcement whose reaction has been "about time."

    I'm not against police having military gear, but its use needs to be restricted to only the most serious situations. Proportional response should be the rule.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hello MichaelAarethun,
    Excellent research. I am of the opinion that police should be trained and held to a higher standard than the general population. So many times it seems the police are shown in these incidents coming in guns blazing when some of these suspects could be approached more stealthily and apprehended perhaps by plain clothes officers that track the suspects and catch them off guard, or simply shown a bit more patience and presumption of innocence. After all, the police have the better training, can have their guns already drawn and should be wearing bullet proof vests when attempting to apprehend someone they believe is armed. I remember how the story of the Branch Davidians was that Koresh regularly went walking the sidewalks of town and could have been apprehended quietly many times before the whole siege mentality erupted. In regards to “Homicide Charged” numbers, there is the perception (right or wrong) that the numbers for police are underrepresented since they are often given the benefit of the doubt in the eye of the court. There is also a perception that the police cover for each other when more often they should do more to maintain their good name by outing the "few" bad apples. Of course much of the perception problem may be attributable to the media's love to report dirty laundry while avoiding the good. Militarization of the police does not help this perception. For this we can probably spread the blame to politicians, bureaucrats and some of the gung-ho police chiefs. That said; I do feel that most police are doing there jobs honorably and do not wish to paint with too broad of a brush. Still, any innocent lives unjustly lost should not be tolerated... on either side.
    Respectfully,
    O.A.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Roy, I oan't say that you're 'out there' or wrong. But somehow, the cops need to get the message that they also are citizens and their compliance with their orders and wrong training won't save them when it comes their turn.

    What I hope to point out with Posts like this one and get discussion of is for recognition that there is a problem. And citizens that sit back and buy off on the cop as 'Hero' need to reassess their understanding of what government really is and how it affects all of us.

    The last cop shooting death in OK was a pastor with his pickup stuck during the recent floods, simply asking for help from the Highway patrolman that shot him.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The increase in crime might have more to do with the government making more and more people criminals through non-violent criminalization laws, ruining the small chance a lot of the people put in prison in there early 20's might have had to become at least minimally productive.

    I agree that it is my position that every one in government at any level should fear the citizenry. The citizenry should never have to fear their government. That was the primary reason for the 2nd Amendment.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You get a one week freebie. Instead I'm following the source of the information used by Washington Post and Guardian. Much more compelling argument than pretty graphics.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Don't know about the Army. My experience was USN and USMC.

    But that joke might have been about Bill Pappy.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Sorry Zen..

    "Nor do they have any business running around in military dress and gear."

    That is the same argument they use for assault weapon bans.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agreed, we need change, but if nothing else, the last many years certainly should point out that a change in the White House only won't solve the problem. The change needs to take place in the citizenry so that they'll no longer put up with this type of nonsense. IMHO
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  • Posted by 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, we finally find something to agree on. Why not start a separate Post of your research and findings. My post was intended as a general update to a problem I'm concerned about. Your issue deserves further discussion as a separate issue.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I feel that way about IRS agents and all other bureaucratic regulators with too much power and a big brother attitude. I could not be a tax collector and sleep at night while remembering the history of the Boston tea party and the other reasons for our founding. The taxes then were a mere pittance compared to the punitive taxes on success we endure now.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And I'll say again that he politicians couldn't enforce those bad laws and bad practices if cops refused to enforce them or refused to be the enforcers for those bad governments.

    They took the same oath to the Constitution that I and you did. It's time they started obeying that oath. It doesn't disappear because a politician tells you to do something else.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The man enforcing a bad law or regulation is as guilty as is the politician as is the cop that doesn't do everything possible to stop the bad apple cop in his organization. Why should anyone respect someone that sought out the job he's got doing these bad things instead of quitting and finding an honorable job.
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