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Why I fled libertarianism — and became a liberal

Posted by Maphesdus 11 years, 4 months ago to Culture
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In a lot of ways, I can really relate to what this guy says. I myself also have a very low tolerance for most conspiracy theories (Operation Northwoods is really the only one that has any shred of credibility, primarily because it actually has official documentation to back it up), and I also share his abhorrence of the Tea Party (which, as far as I can tell, has an ideology virtually identical to that of the Ku Klux Klan). Yet in spite of that, I personally still consider myself a Libertarian, but it's probably my own unique, left-leaning brand of Libertarianism; very different from the radical, far-right fundamentalist extremism that the Teabaggers believe in.

It kind of makes me wonder... how many different “sub-parties” are there within the greater Libertarian party? The Libertarian party seems to be the go-to party for anyone who dislikes both Democrats and Republicans, which is actually a rather large percentage of the American people – they can't possibly all agree with each other. I suppose there is also the Constitution Party, which basically competes with Libertarianism, though it's not nearly as large.

Anyway, a big problem I noticed with this guy's argument is his claim that the lesson of the Great Depression was supposedly that government is supposed to help out during a catastrophic recession. But what he fails to realize is that the Great Depression would never have happened in the first place if the Federal Reserve didn't exist. I think G. Edward Griffin's book “The Creature from Jekyll Island” proves this point fairly well.

"The Creature from Jekyll Island," by G. Edward Griffin:
http://amzn.to/19mr04L

Like the author of the article, I also care about helping the poor and providing assistance for impoverished children, but I do have to question his assumption that government welfare is the only way to accomplish that. According to Ludwig von Mises, the best way to provide for the poor is through the free, unfettered capitalism that was advocated by Classical Liberalism, an ideology which is now unfortunately dead, having been replaced by Socialist Progressivism.

"Socialism - An Economic and Sociological Analysis," by Ludwig von Mises:
http://amzn.to/1hxz16B

The problem is not that the government is incompetent. Quite the contrary, the government is extremely competent. Rather, the problem is that the government simply doesn't care about its citizens. If it did, things might be very different. The simple fact of the matter is that a vast majority of politicians and bureaucrats – Democrats and Republicans alike – are only concerned with grabbing as much money for themselves and their friends as they possibly can. Serving the needs of the people is an auxiliary priority, if it is a priority at all. They are absolutely selfish, and I mean that according the traditional definition of the word, which means concern for yourself to the detriment of others, not Ayn Rand's custom definition which eliminates the “to the detriment of others” aspect (honestly, Ayn Rand should have just used the word “desire” instead – no unshakable negative connotations attached).

Now of course we need government, but its purpose should always be to protect us, never to provide for us (except for government employees). The task of providing for the entire population is simply too big to be handled by the government, and trying to do so cripples the economy, stripping people of their ability to provide for themselves, thus creating more poor people and increasing the size and cost of welfare programs. It's a destructive cycle that feeds into itself, and can only end in disaster. The correct solution is for the needs of the poor to be catered to through private charities, not government welfare.

Nevertheless, the author of the article does provide some good points to think about, even if he is only half-right.


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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yeah, I guess I just wasn't really aware of how big a crossover there was between Tea Partiers and Objectivists. I would have worded my post differently if I had known. Sorry about that. :X

    Do you happen to know of any sites that are willing to discuss both the pros and cons of Atlas Shrugged? Cuz' that's kinda what I want, but so far I've only been able to find sites that either oppose it completely or embrace it completely. There's nothing in the middle...
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    Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I grew up in a predominantly conservative state, and I've never heard anyone around me in real life say the sort of blatantly fascist things he and dk have said, yet I have heard many Tea Partiers endorse similar beliefs. So forgive me if that's colored my view a bit.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Depends which ones you talk to. I see plenty of Tea Partiers (most of them, actually) who advocate passing laws banning abortion and marriage equality. That sounds like more laws to me, not less.

    That's why I prefer Libertarianism instead.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, as far as I'm aware, neither one of them are actually members of the Klan, though they've both endorsed mass genocide and racism, so they have the same ideology, regardless.
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  • Posted by Rocky_Road 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "And I've tried posting on democratic forums as well, but I don't quite fit in there either,"

    Let's see: you try talking to the Democrats, and they don't like you.

    So you try talking to the Objectivists, and they get upset.

    You don't dare talk to the Tea Partiers, since you have pretty much burnt that bridge.

    You try to pee in the men's room, and you feel creepy, and out of place. So you try to use the women's room, and they feel even more creepy than you did.

    It must 'suck' to be you....

    But, Happy New Year!
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  • Posted by $ kathywiso 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is exactly what their purpose is and following the Constitution of the United States !!!
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    Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You don't know of any place in the United States where the official definition of the word "selfishness" is used more prominantly than Ayn Rand's custom definition?
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You used to be a communist!? Ha! That's funny! What made you leave communism, and what do you believe in now? :)

    And I don't think I'm ever going to go down the same route as this guy. Reading Ludwig von Mises pretty much destroyed any possibility of me ever buying into Progressive or Socialist ideology.

    Also, thanks for being the only person to respond respectfully. It means a lot.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hiraghm is not with the Tea Party. He is a conservative.I mentioned we bend over for you but Hiraghm is the real challenge to our patience. Lol.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    She calls me that all the time. She senses my dual-nature. There’s Mimi, and there’s mini-mimi.
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  • Posted by Eudaimonia 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    When you get the time, please research the following Tea Party supporters and featured speakers.

    Dineen Borelli,
    C.L. Bryant,
    Herman Caine,
    Alfonzo Rachel,
    Allen West,
    Larry Elder,
    Kevin Jackson,
    Allen Keyes

    You might find that one of your premises is incorrect.

    Have a Happy New Year.
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    Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You too? Sorry, I don't mean you, khalling. You're one of the good ones. :X

    I only consider people like Hiragram and davidkachel to be "teabaggers."
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The part about personal responsibility and economic independence actually falls into the half of Ayn Rand's philosophy that I agree with.

    And I've tried posting on democratic forums as well, but I don't quite fit in there either, and Democrats get mad at me because I oppose Socialism and Progressivism while endorsing what they call "Reaganomics." =/
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 11 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I’m a wanna-be member of the Society of Cincinnati but I’m too broke. Does that count?
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