There you go..you have summed the problem up. It's about control, and power, and authority. Which pretty much sums up human history for the last 3K years or so...

It may very well be that there’s an increase in noctilucent clouds, and that that increase is associated with a global climate change. I don’t know. What I do know that correlation does not indicate causation. I also know that the climate is cyclical. See, for example, the 4 seasons. That climate change happens on a yearly basis and there’s plenty of evidence that this planet experiences climate changes on a larger cycle as well. How do we know that’s not the case now?

My problem with the current climate change debate is that it seems a setup to implement some sort of global control over people. A carbon tax? Really? Have they finally figured out a way to tax the air we breath. After all, there are 7 billion people on this planet and each time someone exhales they introduce carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

Indeed, in several other discussions on the same type of thing, I think it was said Climate is measured in 30 year increments, meaning man has only had 5 cycles to screw up and nature had a million. Nature wins...

Yes, the climate is changing and it is the very opposite of what is being jammed into your subconscious.Fear not your SUV nor your carbon footprint...your going to need them. Look up the Maunder Minimum, then go to suspicious0bservers,org ;this group and it's inventor are the among the most honest, non politically connected climate observers on this planet. The changes on earth are nothing compared to the changes we are seeing on the other planets. Can you handle the truth? What if I told you that all the sociological wackiness plays right into the cycles of creation and the cycles of civilizations. Mankind could have dealt with these fact much better if we had been empowered with knowledge to actually be the very best we could be. But that would of broken the rules of Kakistocracy's.

If the El Nino is a strong as 97, then we will have a rough winter of storms. My house is side on to the west, and when the winds ripped she thought it was scary, as the house would creak....Normal weather.

Good point, all good science has to take into account all possible variables and prove it by experimentation. Right now, it's a sci-babbel.But the masses keep eating it up and burdening us with the results. It is dry in Oregon this year, and they are all screaming "Global Warming" I am waiting for the genius's to ban cars...

Yup, Hot in Summer Cold in Winter, Snow in the mountains.

Rain at times, Sleet at times, Hurricanes on east cost, Hurricanes on West Coast during El Nino.

Had fog yesterday morning, all cause by nature NOT man.

These enviromental scientist don't have their neo-cortex intact or fully developed or maybe no more developed than T-Rex. They're talking about an 11 year cycle for this cloud formation sound familiar, the Sun spot cycle! There are so many factors that effect the weather. Have they even plugged into to their models likes events happening in outer space. Like all the meteoric dust that falls on the earth everyday, the variation of the Earths magnetic field, of course the Sun, or all the space junk that slowly burns up in our atmosphere. Even the Cosmic Rays that causes the Auroras at both poles causing the ionization of the upper atmosphere. Speaking of which HAARP does the same thing, oh yes, Russia and China have one too. I think Russia is targetting BHO's brain.

Let's be clear: those who deny that the climate changes; that is to say, the REAL "climate change deniers," are denying the proof of their own eyes.

Exactly my point about the Nasa program, I believe they launch in Florida, so seeing the clouds there kinda poofs the statement "only in polar regions". Maybe naturally, but there are many reasons why they can be moving south (naturally) that just means something is a little different, not that the world is ending. This article was illustrative of how people are getting manipulated by junk media. And right now, a lot of media is real junky, IMHO.

Indeed. Do these people really believe that the climate does not change? It has changed continuously during my lifetime. And isn't it interesting that "global warming" has morphed into "climate change"!

sounds like advancing technology, and yes, the
drive to keep a govt grant flowing. -- j
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Actually the article says these clouds "first appeared" after Krakatoa blew its top. Which was in 1883 not 1885. It should be saying that the clouds were first identified as such at that time. Which is also questionable.

I saw a noctilucent cloud once in my life. That was back in the 1980's and I was in Northern Arizona. Definitely cool.

But then they go on to say that they are usually visible in the polar regions but are now being seen at 40 degrees latitude. Gee, Arizona is even further south. But, to the point, in the same mindset of making long drawn speculative conclusions regarding "climate change", water vapor, etc, isn't it just as easy to say that since they are more common in polar regions and are spreading south - wouldn't that imply global cooling?

No tigers in my area; occasional mountain lions.

I do not buy into climate change hysteria, and the idea of a new and beautiful cloud formation showing up in my latitude is an opportunity for wonder.

Jan

Tigers are beautiful, too.

Silver lining! :) Yes!

Noctilucent clouds. They sound beautiful - I will watch for them. Thanks, climate change.

Jan

Blithering blatherskite... Nothing to see here folks. Just more unproven hype and scare tactics for consumption by the gullible.

You can blame climate change for any change in the weather. As to the reality of it, since our tabulations of the time we've been testing from the time the planet cooled enough to have a climate could be compared to a nanosecond in an hour. Not enough data to prove climate change is a phenomena caused by man, or just the earth doing what the earth does.

Me dino can show climate change.
It's called "History of the Earth."
Freaking duh!
RFK Jr. wants me to go to jail for this--

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQm6N60b...

The university of colorado leaves a lot to be desired when it comes to weather prediction. They have for the past 6 years predicted lots of hurricanes off of the east coast and none has occurred because the weather pattern i.e. the flow of air from west to east has pushed the storms east of the coast. Also, they do not take into consideration the these large storms need warm water to survive and the water temperature is not as warm as it had been years ago. Hence no hurricanes. As far as these clouds are concerned they have appeared for centuries just like the ozone hole and what ever effect these phenomena have on the climate it is not particularly note worthy, unless of course you want to believe the world is getting warmer, which it isn't.

I've seen images like this one in alarmist posts about heavy-metal pollution of the air, and the allegation--called the Chemtrail Conspiracy--that the United States Air Force, the Federal Aviation Administration, and just about every commercial airline that overflies the United States, are conspiring together to inject heavy-metal ions into the atmosphere to poison the people below.

It would be nice if the site actually showed a video (or at least a picture) of the clouds instead of that bozo.

You could fill books the capacity of the library of congress with all the things that Scientists cannot explain.