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90 Days: Treasury Says Debt Has Been Frozen at $18,112,975,000,000

Posted by $ Your_Name_Goes_Here 9 years, 10 months ago to Government
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Can someone economically literate please help us understand how this is possible? Our Dear Leader has doubled the total debt of all of his predecessors combined (yes, I'm giving the $1T under GW Bush to Obama as Obama asked him to authorize it before taking office), and while tax receipts are up we are still running a deficit.

Is the Treasury or the Fed playing games here?


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  • Posted by $ CBJ 9 years, 10 months ago
    Is there a generally accepted Objectivist viewpoint on whether taxpayers have a moral obligation to pay off debts incurred by their government? More specifically, if a group of Objectivists were somehow elected to run the country, what would be their proper course of action regarding the existing national debt?
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  • Posted by RobertFl 9 years, 10 months ago
    >Can someone economically literate please help us understand how this is possible?

    OK, think about this, we're at $18T+ debt. there is obvious no such thing as "economically literate".
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  • Posted by LarryHeart 9 years, 10 months ago
    "the Treasury redeems maturing debt held by the public and issues new debt held by the public"

    The Treasury is redeeming higher interest bonds with lower interest bonds.

    Who buys the lower interest bonds? The FED. The government spends the money to keep afloat. Then the FED asks the Treasury to print up Federal Reserve Notes in the amount of the bonds purchased, and lends them to the banks at no interest, which the banks release as loans up to 10 times the amount of the original bond (Only required to keep a 10% reserve) which dilutes the value of our currency, effectively stealing cents from every dollar holder to fund the Fed's purchase and garner interest on loans for the bank. Those cents add up to the amount you would have invested in savings accounts if interest rates were governed by the market.

    The banks get a free loan of your savings to them, they pay you no interest and never give back the money. Theft.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 10 months ago
    Of course they are playing games. It's another way of saying inflate, devalue and repudiate the debt meaning refuse to acknowledge the debt which means if you invested in T Bills or something more near and dear like a retirement fund you are so royally screwed.

    Still want to vote for the Government Party? Either half? Still like the greater or lesser of evils?

    TANSTAAFL! Someone has to pay and i this system it's retirees and old folks.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 10 months ago
    Of course they are. To use a not to long ago comment about another subject but it fits here "what difference does it make"!
    Life will go on regardless of the amount of debt that our wonderful government chooses to incur.
    welcome to the new america!
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  • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 10 months ago
    To them it is a game. They are keeping the fiat currency going as long as they can.
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  • Posted by gcarl615 9 years, 10 months ago
    If the accountant decide to move all deficit spending and subsequent bond sales to some mysterious slush funds or directly to the Feds books then it won't show up. Mobsters have used this type of fraudulent accounting for generations. The only difference between the Mafia and the looters in Washington is that the looters got elected.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 10 months ago
    Does A = A anymore? Not if you believe the debt clock. When I see this story about the debt clock being stopped, I can't help but think of Francisco D'Anconia's banner "Brother, You Asked For It!"
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