Supreme Court extends same-sex marriage nationwide
Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 10 months ago to Government
Well there you have it folks. Another decision that has the effect of complicating and distorting our language.
I personally have no problems with what the LGBT people do. It is only a matter of definitions and giving new meaning to existing words that bothers me. I believe that a new word should have been created and that equal rights in every way should be granted. Unfortunately now the word marriage will be less descriptive and specific. This has been the case of several decisions lately that only confound our language. The court believes it can re-write Webster's dictionary.
Respectfully,
O.A.
Addendum: Some final thoughts
After contemplating the arguments presented, I wish it understood that since I have no strong religious convictions on this matter, I have no personal problems with this ruling other than a minor irritation with the effective changing of the definition of the word marriage. I will have little difficulty adjusting my language and accepting the outcome. However, others of a contrary nature and the undoubted turmoil that will ensue for our nation will not likely foster comity. After all there are a very large number of people of religious convictions that will not wish to have their rights to practice and live by their beliefs abrogated.
I accept the absolute right of free association that is involved, but free association as a right cannot exist without its corollary of disassociation. One cannot objectively avoid recognition that this ruling will lead to the violation of rights of those that hold a contrary view by forcing them into associations they would otherwise avoid.
The problem’s origin seems to stem from the fact that the government has bestowed upon holders of a “marriage” license, benefits that others were not granted. This is unequal treatment and thus unjust. This is the crux of the problem and should be rectified and could be done easily by eliminating those benefits or granting them to everyone regardless of possession of such a license. It would seem that it is largely the result of government getting into something it should not have in the first place and as usual producing unanticipated consequences.
Is acquisition of this license in and of itself a fundamental right? If this were so, would it not apply to a driver’s license also? It has been understood that such a license is a privilege, which by definition one must qualify for. Taken to its ultimate conclusion, would not this line of reasoning lead one to conclude that any license or even contract that someone else can acquire is equally a right for all regardless of criteria? For instance should one demand that since some have contracts with the NBA that it should be the right of all so desiring? This is of course reductio ad absurdum.
What precedent for our nation and the effects upon states rights and the tenth amendment will this have? The implications are incalculable. The more cases that redefine the meaning of words, the more cases of the past will be in jeopardy. Without unchanging meanings we become a nation not of written laws, but of the whims of men and the political winds of the time. The fact that some words already have ambiguity is not a persuasive argument for acceptance of more of the same done with purpose born of temporary convenience or political correctness.
Some say (as the majority opinion did) that this is necessary to grant dignity and respect for the pro gay marriage crowd. This argument is specious since no government issued paper can grant dignity. Dignity is a reflection/matter of approval and acceptance of one's peers and the community.
Ultimately our nation will likely suffer further division and struggle with this issue just as we still do with Roe v. Wade. This is unfortunate since there were other alternatives. I hope it is not more than our ever more fragile peace between factions can handle. Frankly I hope I am wrong in this matter and we can move past it, but it does seem inevitable that our courts will be needlessly filled with cases where some “rights” are pitted against others. The mark of a legitimate fundamental right is that it does not conflict with others.
In closing, I would like to thank all those that have participated in this conversation and invite the reader to comment further as they desire.
Respectfully,
O.A.
I personally have no problems with what the LGBT people do. It is only a matter of definitions and giving new meaning to existing words that bothers me. I believe that a new word should have been created and that equal rights in every way should be granted. Unfortunately now the word marriage will be less descriptive and specific. This has been the case of several decisions lately that only confound our language. The court believes it can re-write Webster's dictionary.
Respectfully,
O.A.
Addendum: Some final thoughts
After contemplating the arguments presented, I wish it understood that since I have no strong religious convictions on this matter, I have no personal problems with this ruling other than a minor irritation with the effective changing of the definition of the word marriage. I will have little difficulty adjusting my language and accepting the outcome. However, others of a contrary nature and the undoubted turmoil that will ensue for our nation will not likely foster comity. After all there are a very large number of people of religious convictions that will not wish to have their rights to practice and live by their beliefs abrogated.
I accept the absolute right of free association that is involved, but free association as a right cannot exist without its corollary of disassociation. One cannot objectively avoid recognition that this ruling will lead to the violation of rights of those that hold a contrary view by forcing them into associations they would otherwise avoid.
The problem’s origin seems to stem from the fact that the government has bestowed upon holders of a “marriage” license, benefits that others were not granted. This is unequal treatment and thus unjust. This is the crux of the problem and should be rectified and could be done easily by eliminating those benefits or granting them to everyone regardless of possession of such a license. It would seem that it is largely the result of government getting into something it should not have in the first place and as usual producing unanticipated consequences.
Is acquisition of this license in and of itself a fundamental right? If this were so, would it not apply to a driver’s license also? It has been understood that such a license is a privilege, which by definition one must qualify for. Taken to its ultimate conclusion, would not this line of reasoning lead one to conclude that any license or even contract that someone else can acquire is equally a right for all regardless of criteria? For instance should one demand that since some have contracts with the NBA that it should be the right of all so desiring? This is of course reductio ad absurdum.
What precedent for our nation and the effects upon states rights and the tenth amendment will this have? The implications are incalculable. The more cases that redefine the meaning of words, the more cases of the past will be in jeopardy. Without unchanging meanings we become a nation not of written laws, but of the whims of men and the political winds of the time. The fact that some words already have ambiguity is not a persuasive argument for acceptance of more of the same done with purpose born of temporary convenience or political correctness.
Some say (as the majority opinion did) that this is necessary to grant dignity and respect for the pro gay marriage crowd. This argument is specious since no government issued paper can grant dignity. Dignity is a reflection/matter of approval and acceptance of one's peers and the community.
Ultimately our nation will likely suffer further division and struggle with this issue just as we still do with Roe v. Wade. This is unfortunate since there were other alternatives. I hope it is not more than our ever more fragile peace between factions can handle. Frankly I hope I am wrong in this matter and we can move past it, but it does seem inevitable that our courts will be needlessly filled with cases where some “rights” are pitted against others. The mark of a legitimate fundamental right is that it does not conflict with others.
In closing, I would like to thank all those that have participated in this conversation and invite the reader to comment further as they desire.
Respectfully,
O.A.
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Marriage licenses should not be up for a public vote. It's not a "will of the people" thing. It's about right and wrong, and on this page I know we all know that reason is our only absolute. If your reason and your religion (or traditions) are in conflict, you had better reconsider one of them.
Somewhat the same as you can't read it if you don't vote for it.
I do believe texting has replaced it as an opiate in a mass sense.
Note that ALL of these are instruments to protect our rights, not infringe on them. But the courts have gone insane and the military and the police look upon us with derision and have become corrupt.
But assuming that weren't true and we had even the government that the Constitution tried to create, that correctly-sized and powered gov't needs money to perform its duties.
Do we provide that money through taxes or some other means? I'm open, I have no preference for being taxed!
Who protects your rights as an individual. Since the Court left it up to the states other than invoking Article Fours full faith and credit clause and rights granted are not involved so far as I can find out.
1. Find a state where the right wasn't granted to the State and they have not made such a ruling.
2. Move there.
3. Barring the addition of a new state fifty choices is all we have available.
4. Being offended by something is not the same as having a right to something. I am offended by the PC crowd. They do not have the right to take gender specific word and replace it with one , person for example that is even more sexist. but then Forrest Gump Rule. Stupid is as Stupid does.
Just last week I was told by a shift manager in a local cafe not to wake him up he was sleeping
(about 11AM) I explained in Spanish and politely it was his job to keep me happy not the other way around. Then departed and haven''t been back repairing to one of the other 49 Choices. I would be offended if someone demanded I move to LA or NYC or say you have to understand that.... No I don't have to understand. Nor do I ''need'' to . If however whoever wrote that trash wishes to pay me to recite the lines... make an offer. Who knows? Overaged I would make a much more believable Jack Reacher than whats his face who only acts like someone trying to be an actor.
Now if the comment had been whatever whatever left wing fascist I''d help with the branding irons and bring the burdizos.
If the gov't is doing its job then it will protect the individual. But I have to ask, how have your rights been violated by this ruling?
(this was about sticking this to the radical religious people by radical LGBT extremists.) No, that was just icing on the cake. I also notice that you endorse branding all gays and lesbians who supported same sex marriage as radical extremists. You'll have to take my word for it but I'm only extreme in being a hardcore libertarian and an enthusiastic Objectivist.
(And your issue of blacks is totally minimizing the accomplishments of civil rights movement) Balderdash. The analogy was perfectly appropriate, as was my sarcasm.
I'm so glad you have gay friends. I agree that getting a BJ in public is unacceptable and I'm not aware of the radical gay agenda advocating for it. I went overboard in asking about your poking and licking because you earned it.
Ever sense it's been the progressive way and liberals hate acknowledging the authority
of an author in regards to the definition of words in context...they prefer their own connotation.
Most people (myself included) NEVER had a problem with equal legal protection and civil unions (like Germany and Switzerland). That was never an option because this was about sticking this to the radical religious people by radical LGBT extremists.
And your issue of blacks is totally minimizing the accomplishments of civil rights movement (that I participated in). Today its about woe is me and black entitlement. As even Lenin said "If you dont work, You dont eat"
Actually I don't care, You went a little extreme there. PDA is fine to a point . I count among my friends many very well know gay people. (and don't pull your some of my best friends are gay BS)I I don't think its correct for you to blow you BF or my wife to blow me in public. If that offends you GFY.
I also don't think its any of your business what my wife, BF or GF do and most civilized people don't go around bragging about their private sex habits (JMO) And I certainly don't care to hear what your sex life is.
Abuse lol .. you mean like being blamed for the ills of the world, or paying taxes so those who can work but wont can enjoy their lives.
I ask in good faith what actions or thoughts are being dictated to you?
Please describe for us exactly how this ruling affects any church or religion. It only applies to government, specifically state government.
As for the Catholic church, they've been killing themselves for years. (I was raised one, until I was old enough to tell my mom I'd been an atheist since I was 12 and I would never attend another mass as long as I lived.)
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