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Supreme Court extends same-sex marriage nationwide

Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 10 months ago to Government
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Well there you have it folks. Another decision that has the effect of complicating and distorting our language.

I personally have no problems with what the LGBT people do. It is only a matter of definitions and giving new meaning to existing words that bothers me. I believe that a new word should have been created and that equal rights in every way should be granted. Unfortunately now the word marriage will be less descriptive and specific. This has been the case of several decisions lately that only confound our language. The court believes it can re-write Webster's dictionary.
Respectfully,
O.A.

Addendum: Some final thoughts
After contemplating the arguments presented, I wish it understood that since I have no strong religious convictions on this matter, I have no personal problems with this ruling other than a minor irritation with the effective changing of the definition of the word marriage. I will have little difficulty adjusting my language and accepting the outcome. However, others of a contrary nature and the undoubted turmoil that will ensue for our nation will not likely foster comity. After all there are a very large number of people of religious convictions that will not wish to have their rights to practice and live by their beliefs abrogated.

I accept the absolute right of free association that is involved, but free association as a right cannot exist without its corollary of disassociation. One cannot objectively avoid recognition that this ruling will lead to the violation of rights of those that hold a contrary view by forcing them into associations they would otherwise avoid.

The problem’s origin seems to stem from the fact that the government has bestowed upon holders of a “marriage” license, benefits that others were not granted. This is unequal treatment and thus unjust. This is the crux of the problem and should be rectified and could be done easily by eliminating those benefits or granting them to everyone regardless of possession of such a license. It would seem that it is largely the result of government getting into something it should not have in the first place and as usual producing unanticipated consequences.

Is acquisition of this license in and of itself a fundamental right? If this were so, would it not apply to a driver’s license also? It has been understood that such a license is a privilege, which by definition one must qualify for. Taken to its ultimate conclusion, would not this line of reasoning lead one to conclude that any license or even contract that someone else can acquire is equally a right for all regardless of criteria? For instance should one demand that since some have contracts with the NBA that it should be the right of all so desiring? This is of course reductio ad absurdum.

What precedent for our nation and the effects upon states rights and the tenth amendment will this have? The implications are incalculable. The more cases that redefine the meaning of words, the more cases of the past will be in jeopardy. Without unchanging meanings we become a nation not of written laws, but of the whims of men and the political winds of the time. The fact that some words already have ambiguity is not a persuasive argument for acceptance of more of the same done with purpose born of temporary convenience or political correctness.

Some say (as the majority opinion did) that this is necessary to grant dignity and respect for the pro gay marriage crowd. This argument is specious since no government issued paper can grant dignity. Dignity is a reflection/matter of approval and acceptance of one's peers and the community.

Ultimately our nation will likely suffer further division and struggle with this issue just as we still do with Roe v. Wade. This is unfortunate since there were other alternatives. I hope it is not more than our ever more fragile peace between factions can handle. Frankly I hope I am wrong in this matter and we can move past it, but it does seem inevitable that our courts will be needlessly filled with cases where some “rights” are pitted against others. The mark of a legitimate fundamental right is that it does not conflict with others.

In closing, I would like to thank all those that have participated in this conversation and invite the reader to comment further as they desire.
Respectfully,
O.A.



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  • Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In about ... 8 weeks I'd say. Equality!! I see a long drawn out case involving a Mormon temple.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This section enumerates the methods used prior to income tax.

    Section 8 - The Text
    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

    To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian Tribes;

    To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

    To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

    To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;.
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  • Posted by JohnConnor352 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Pleas realize that the level to which you, or any other number of people, are "fine with" some concept is entirely irrelevant to a discussion of Liberty. Either something is a just or it is unjust. Either libertarian (the adjective, not the party) or tyrannical.
    Marriage licenses should not be up for a public vote. It's not a "will of the people" thing. It's about right and wrong, and on this page I know we all know that reason is our only absolute. If your reason and your religion (or traditions) are in conflict, you had better reconsider one of them.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Lenin used religious techniques though. When Mussolini asked how to teach Marxist Economics he was advised by V.I. One doesn't teach it one preaches it. Advise people to take it on faith.

    Somewhat the same as you can't read it if you don't vote for it.

    I do believe texting has replaced it as an opiate in a mass sense.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    True but it is not my job to learn 300 million definitions of a word (number of people in the US give or take) nor even one and a half million Approximate number of worlds in the English Language). It is my job to learn the word, how it is used, and the few definitions listed such as list. Then when someone uses that word I act accordingly. I don't have the time to waste explaining decimate means kill one tenth and one stands on a podium and behind a lectern or the difference between a clip and a magazine. Spanish you get to learn more definitions but they only have something over 300,000. So yes words change - I'll leave it to the next generation although having only two words is not bad - Huuh?l uhhh like wow Duuh Really? Make that six.
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  • Posted by Timelord 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Even hardcore libertarians believe in basic functions of government. At the federal level there's the military and the courts, and at the state and local levels there are courts and police (I can't believe I just promoted police, a group I detest).

    Note that ALL of these are instruments to protect our rights, not infringe on them. But the courts have gone insane and the military and the police look upon us with derision and have become corrupt.

    But assuming that weren't true and we had even the government that the Constitution tried to create, that correctly-sized and powered gov't needs money to perform its duties.

    Do we provide that money through taxes or some other means? I'm open, I have no preference for being taxed!
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    On definitions the best thing is get a pre PC dictionary and stick to it regardless.

    Who protects your rights as an individual. Since the Court left it up to the states other than invoking Article Fours full faith and credit clause and rights granted are not involved so far as I can find out.

    1. Find a state where the right wasn't granted to the State and they have not made such a ruling.

    2. Move there.

    3. Barring the addition of a new state fifty choices is all we have available.

    4. Being offended by something is not the same as having a right to something. I am offended by the PC crowd. They do not have the right to take gender specific word and replace it with one , person for example that is even more sexist. but then Forrest Gump Rule. Stupid is as Stupid does.

    Just last week I was told by a shift manager in a local cafe not to wake him up he was sleeping
    (about 11AM) I explained in Spanish and politely it was his job to keep me happy not the other way around. Then departed and haven''t been back repairing to one of the other 49 Choices. I would be offended if someone demanded I move to LA or NYC or say you have to understand that.... No I don't have to understand. Nor do I ''need'' to . If however whoever wrote that trash wishes to pay me to recite the lines... make an offer. Who knows? Overaged I would make a much more believable Jack Reacher than whats his face who only acts like someone trying to be an actor.

    Now if the comment had been whatever whatever left wing fascist I''d help with the branding irons and bring the burdizos.
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  • Posted by waytodude 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Cool thanks. Once again you have your beliefs and I have mine this is what our country is about. So swear or pray to Zeus until your hearts content. In my eyes I see one thing you another so guess what you can do with your sign. And I regress further into my Gulch where it's safe for my family and I.
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  • Posted by Timelord 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    (So who protects the rights of the individual who happens to disagree?)

    If the gov't is doing its job then it will protect the individual. But I have to ask, how have your rights been violated by this ruling?

    (this was about sticking this to the radical religious people by radical LGBT extremists.) No, that was just icing on the cake. I also notice that you endorse branding all gays and lesbians who supported same sex marriage as radical extremists. You'll have to take my word for it but I'm only extreme in being a hardcore libertarian and an enthusiastic Objectivist.

    (And your issue of blacks is totally minimizing the accomplishments of civil rights movement) Balderdash. The analogy was perfectly appropriate, as was my sarcasm.

    I'm so glad you have gay friends. I agree that getting a BJ in public is unacceptable and I'm not aware of the radical gay agenda advocating for it. I went overboard in asking about your poking and licking because you earned it.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 9 years, 10 months ago
    It's been an ongoing disempowerment from the fall of Babylon. It was the rulers {any sort of creator would have never intervened} that said out of fear, "We shall go down and confound their language...lest nothing be impossible unto them".
    Ever sense it's been the progressive way and liberals hate acknowledging the authority
    of an author in regards to the definition of words in context...they prefer their own connotation.
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  • Posted by $ number6 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So who protects the rights of the individual who happens to disagree? remember " The smallest minority on earth is the individual. Those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities."

    Most people (myself included) NEVER had a problem with equal legal protection and civil unions (like Germany and Switzerland). That was never an option because this was about sticking this to the radical religious people by radical LGBT extremists.

    And your issue of blacks is totally minimizing the accomplishments of civil rights movement (that I participated in). Today its about woe is me and black entitlement. As even Lenin said "If you dont work, You dont eat"

    Actually I don't care, You went a little extreme there. PDA is fine to a point . I count among my friends many very well know gay people. (and don't pull your some of my best friends are gay BS)I I don't think its correct for you to blow you BF or my wife to blow me in public. If that offends you GFY.

    I also don't think its any of your business what my wife, BF or GF do and most civilized people don't go around bragging about their private sex habits (JMO) And I certainly don't care to hear what your sex life is.

    Abuse lol .. you mean like being blamed for the ills of the world, or paying taxes so those who can work but wont can enjoy their lives.
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  • Posted by Timelord 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I swear to Zeus that I love every one of your posts. I've only disagreed with one sentence. If you're good-looking let's get married.
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  • Posted by Timelord 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    (when 10% of the population can dictate what the other 90% can or cannot do/act/think)

    I ask in good faith what actions or thoughts are being dictated to you?
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  • Posted by Timelord 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There should also be a different name for interracial marriages AND interfaith marriages. Can you imagine the horror of a god-fearing Pentecostal marrying a Unitarian Universalist? Nobody should have to be forced to recognize that abomination!
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  • Posted by Timelord 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    (This was an attack on First amendment Religious freedoms and the Government dictating and controlling religion.)

    Please describe for us exactly how this ruling affects any church or religion. It only applies to government, specifically state government.

    As for the Catholic church, they've been killing themselves for years. (I was raised one, until I was old enough to tell my mom I'd been an atheist since I was 12 and I would never attend another mass as long as I lived.)
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  • Posted by JohnConnor352 9 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    What can the courts do about the economy? The courts take on the issues brought to them by lawsuits. Time spent on these issues does not take away time from any of the issues which you referenced.
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