Supreme Court extends same-sex marriage nationwide
Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years, 10 months ago to Government
Well there you have it folks. Another decision that has the effect of complicating and distorting our language.
I personally have no problems with what the LGBT people do. It is only a matter of definitions and giving new meaning to existing words that bothers me. I believe that a new word should have been created and that equal rights in every way should be granted. Unfortunately now the word marriage will be less descriptive and specific. This has been the case of several decisions lately that only confound our language. The court believes it can re-write Webster's dictionary.
Respectfully,
O.A.
Addendum: Some final thoughts
After contemplating the arguments presented, I wish it understood that since I have no strong religious convictions on this matter, I have no personal problems with this ruling other than a minor irritation with the effective changing of the definition of the word marriage. I will have little difficulty adjusting my language and accepting the outcome. However, others of a contrary nature and the undoubted turmoil that will ensue for our nation will not likely foster comity. After all there are a very large number of people of religious convictions that will not wish to have their rights to practice and live by their beliefs abrogated.
I accept the absolute right of free association that is involved, but free association as a right cannot exist without its corollary of disassociation. One cannot objectively avoid recognition that this ruling will lead to the violation of rights of those that hold a contrary view by forcing them into associations they would otherwise avoid.
The problem’s origin seems to stem from the fact that the government has bestowed upon holders of a “marriage” license, benefits that others were not granted. This is unequal treatment and thus unjust. This is the crux of the problem and should be rectified and could be done easily by eliminating those benefits or granting them to everyone regardless of possession of such a license. It would seem that it is largely the result of government getting into something it should not have in the first place and as usual producing unanticipated consequences.
Is acquisition of this license in and of itself a fundamental right? If this were so, would it not apply to a driver’s license also? It has been understood that such a license is a privilege, which by definition one must qualify for. Taken to its ultimate conclusion, would not this line of reasoning lead one to conclude that any license or even contract that someone else can acquire is equally a right for all regardless of criteria? For instance should one demand that since some have contracts with the NBA that it should be the right of all so desiring? This is of course reductio ad absurdum.
What precedent for our nation and the effects upon states rights and the tenth amendment will this have? The implications are incalculable. The more cases that redefine the meaning of words, the more cases of the past will be in jeopardy. Without unchanging meanings we become a nation not of written laws, but of the whims of men and the political winds of the time. The fact that some words already have ambiguity is not a persuasive argument for acceptance of more of the same done with purpose born of temporary convenience or political correctness.
Some say (as the majority opinion did) that this is necessary to grant dignity and respect for the pro gay marriage crowd. This argument is specious since no government issued paper can grant dignity. Dignity is a reflection/matter of approval and acceptance of one's peers and the community.
Ultimately our nation will likely suffer further division and struggle with this issue just as we still do with Roe v. Wade. This is unfortunate since there were other alternatives. I hope it is not more than our ever more fragile peace between factions can handle. Frankly I hope I am wrong in this matter and we can move past it, but it does seem inevitable that our courts will be needlessly filled with cases where some “rights” are pitted against others. The mark of a legitimate fundamental right is that it does not conflict with others.
In closing, I would like to thank all those that have participated in this conversation and invite the reader to comment further as they desire.
Respectfully,
O.A.
I personally have no problems with what the LGBT people do. It is only a matter of definitions and giving new meaning to existing words that bothers me. I believe that a new word should have been created and that equal rights in every way should be granted. Unfortunately now the word marriage will be less descriptive and specific. This has been the case of several decisions lately that only confound our language. The court believes it can re-write Webster's dictionary.
Respectfully,
O.A.
Addendum: Some final thoughts
After contemplating the arguments presented, I wish it understood that since I have no strong religious convictions on this matter, I have no personal problems with this ruling other than a minor irritation with the effective changing of the definition of the word marriage. I will have little difficulty adjusting my language and accepting the outcome. However, others of a contrary nature and the undoubted turmoil that will ensue for our nation will not likely foster comity. After all there are a very large number of people of religious convictions that will not wish to have their rights to practice and live by their beliefs abrogated.
I accept the absolute right of free association that is involved, but free association as a right cannot exist without its corollary of disassociation. One cannot objectively avoid recognition that this ruling will lead to the violation of rights of those that hold a contrary view by forcing them into associations they would otherwise avoid.
The problem’s origin seems to stem from the fact that the government has bestowed upon holders of a “marriage” license, benefits that others were not granted. This is unequal treatment and thus unjust. This is the crux of the problem and should be rectified and could be done easily by eliminating those benefits or granting them to everyone regardless of possession of such a license. It would seem that it is largely the result of government getting into something it should not have in the first place and as usual producing unanticipated consequences.
Is acquisition of this license in and of itself a fundamental right? If this were so, would it not apply to a driver’s license also? It has been understood that such a license is a privilege, which by definition one must qualify for. Taken to its ultimate conclusion, would not this line of reasoning lead one to conclude that any license or even contract that someone else can acquire is equally a right for all regardless of criteria? For instance should one demand that since some have contracts with the NBA that it should be the right of all so desiring? This is of course reductio ad absurdum.
What precedent for our nation and the effects upon states rights and the tenth amendment will this have? The implications are incalculable. The more cases that redefine the meaning of words, the more cases of the past will be in jeopardy. Without unchanging meanings we become a nation not of written laws, but of the whims of men and the political winds of the time. The fact that some words already have ambiguity is not a persuasive argument for acceptance of more of the same done with purpose born of temporary convenience or political correctness.
Some say (as the majority opinion did) that this is necessary to grant dignity and respect for the pro gay marriage crowd. This argument is specious since no government issued paper can grant dignity. Dignity is a reflection/matter of approval and acceptance of one's peers and the community.
Ultimately our nation will likely suffer further division and struggle with this issue just as we still do with Roe v. Wade. This is unfortunate since there were other alternatives. I hope it is not more than our ever more fragile peace between factions can handle. Frankly I hope I am wrong in this matter and we can move past it, but it does seem inevitable that our courts will be needlessly filled with cases where some “rights” are pitted against others. The mark of a legitimate fundamental right is that it does not conflict with others.
In closing, I would like to thank all those that have participated in this conversation and invite the reader to comment further as they desire.
Respectfully,
O.A.
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This change in language would not harm any contract, for example. I cannot fathom a contract that would now be useless or could be misinterpreted because marriage, by law, can now be two men instead of previously it could only be a man and a woman.
Changing language is part of life. That is why we do not have the same dictionary year after year. New words come into existence... Old ones develop new meanings (take gay, fag, or dike for example [like how I kept with the theme?]), and general understanding of concepts changes over time. Marriage used to be a very religious matter, it also was once used primarily to exchange dowries, or seal treaties. Today's understanding is a very personal one, about the desires of two individuals to be together, the state has created benefits, and private institutions have developed certain assumptions and manners of behavior that make marriage very much a part of our lives. Who is to say this is the "best" or optimal way to look at marriage? A change is only bad if the result is worse than what existed previously. But you cannot consider and argument against a change rational if your only argument is that it's different from what existed before.
But that will not restrain the protestors who block the entrance of the church and interfere with marriages that are performed there.
How will local police respond? How wil the state governor respond when the gay and lesbian protestors show up at the capital to "encourage" his action?
Central power decisions on these issues are just wrong, and we would be better off with no supreme court than this abortion pretending to be one.
(I am just pissed off at those jerks pretending to be justices.)
'Gay marriage' now has universal permission to exist in the US. (This is not the end of the world.) 'Permission' does not equal 'requirement'.
If a particular church/pastor refuses to perform gay marriages* then that is their right to do so. If the congregation of that church goes elsewhere over the years, then that is people 'voting with their feet'; likewise if the congregation doubles.
Jan
*or bakeries, gay wedding cakes
But not in the dictatorship of the mass media that stirs up the property defacers and destroyers against anyone who disagrees with their politically correct mantra.
Jan
Jan
Jan
Also your assessment of the court is so spot on I could barely breathe from laughing. Thank you for that.
Btw everyone take note of AL OK and MS. All three are in the process of ending the issuance of marriage licenses. I think that's a good thing. Everyone will simply have a civil union.
Because I can see two senior citizens having a civil union contract, it doesn't have to about love. Just two people that look out for one another. Allowing "gay marriage" instead of civil union precludes those senior citizens from the same benefit
I visualized a photo of the rainbow White House placed beside a portrait of a smiling Obama on a huge billboard.
Then I imagined people in China pointing at it and laughing their heads off.
Your solution is a good one, but it must be done through legislation.
Also, one is not "disenfranchised" when your ability to dictate and to others how they must act is removed from you. That is exactly what he does with religious convictions were doing with marriage. They were giving special benefits and rights to those who followed their beliefs.
This will continue to get more complicated with the increasing number of catagories for "sex" , not just male or female, and of course, why just limit the benefit group to two? There seems to be no legitimate legal reason not to have the "marriage" State protections extend to a group of any size.
Eliminating this State enforced relationship protection is the way out of this mess - most States got involved to control interracial marriage...The State should never have got involved in this in the first place.
This is not saying what people can think, act, or do you personally. This is saying that the citizens of a state cannot discriminate against same-sex couples. It was the citizens of those states that wished to control and restrict marriage who were actually doing the dictating.
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