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Clinton to make boosting wages central to her economic plan

Posted by $ nickursis 9 years, 9 months ago to Government
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Here is where it all falls apart. This creature will get the faceless masses to supposedly elect her, and then continue the democrap method of crushing any possibility of improvements by imposing more and more looting/mooching programs (such as our wonderful Obamacare), which, as they destroy the economy (whats left of it) they then blame on the republocraps. Is there a benign dictator we can hire, and dispose with all of them?
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  • Posted by mccwho 9 years, 9 months ago
    “When the people find that they can vote themselves money that will herald the end of the republic.”

    ― Benjamin Franklin
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago
      Although I believe that was in regard to a National Bank, he is indeed correct and this just shows how they love to say they are following the Founding Fathers, yet they are about 180 degrees off.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 9 months ago
        They have a system of pretending to be one thing while blatantly supporting the opposite. After reading their own books on the subject it was easy to pick them out - the secular progressives. Fact is they don't even lie good. Pathetically beyond pitiable. But we did get a taste of their future predicting bread at $21 a loaf as inflation is raised to cover the debt. Nothing mentioned about paying the bill jus deflating values. Not quite the same thing for those of us who live in the real world.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 9 months ago
    No, there's no benign dictator. Rand gave us the recipe for rebellion: go on strike. And in the process, conform to the very ethical precept of the looters.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 9 months ago
    Benghazi Killiary is flapping her lipstick.
    This Bride of The Teflon Man creature has already proven that she can lie as much as The Great And Powerful O.
    Do not even trust what her farts have to say.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 9 months ago
    why listen to this person who happens to be an idiot. all she wants as you know is to have airforce one to use. if she were elected, i an not religious at all, but god help us. she will make 0 look like a saint.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 9 months ago
    bolstering wages even as the unemployment rate has fallen to a seven-year low of 5.3 percent.

    Translated. Thanks to Bubba that figure gets a boost by not counting 10% of the workforce. so 5.3 is 5.3% of 90.or 4.77 plus 10 for 14.77. Rather than the intended message of 94.7.

    In the Clinton school of Economics that 's how you make 85% into 95%.

    If her plan is that inaccurate maybe she should take an economics course or just read Hazlitts book.

    As for the republicans there is only one dfference between Demos and Dumbos.and it isn't economics.

    Vote for No Evil neither lesser or greater!

    Your self respect is more important than their landslide.

    Not to mention the original intent of the great speech is crap.
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  • Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 9 months ago
    Makes perfect sense if your a keynesian socialist.

    In order to pay the debt down they must drive inflation up. Every time the dollar halves in value so does the debt.

    Raising wages increases the average household income, which even though that wage will buy less makes people feel good. Couple with this a graduated income tax and you will get a larger percentage of peoples income without changing a thing, effectively increasing the income tax rate but without the requirement of stating or admitting it.

    From the viewpoint of someone like her this has several winning feature.
    Increases voter happiness
    Effective reduction in debt
    Increased Tax income
    Ability to assume greater debt
    * improved GDP to taxation ratio

    All of these advantages are paid for by those that saved their money. In an economy like the one they have to create to keep from crashing and going into default money in a bank will loose value. Stock markets will not keep up with inflation. Things like Gold, Silver, Land and Fine Art will typically keep up with the inflation.

    I recently read an economics article that suggested that in order to balance out the debt to GDP ratio they would have to push higher inflation for years yet to come. The estimate price of gold to stabilize the existing and planned debt, approximately $9500.00 an ounce.

    In addition to that report, and with a bunch of history and data to back it up "The death of Money" also suggest a gold value of $9500.00 per ounce as the likely target to balance out debt to GDP and added that value as the base value needed to move to a global currency produced by the IMF.

    The fact is if they can keep from having the inflation get out of control bad they will be successful in doing this over time and it will stabilize the economy and we will see a decade of boom or there about followed by another bust.

    The model sucks, but if you are a have and have a lot it makes you richer and can be maintained. It also benefits the poor who have nothing. Its the middle class that get crushed under a Keynesian economic system.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 9 months ago
      Except big time welfare payments and no taxes.

      $9500 divided by 350 is the future you are describing. Equals wonder white bread at $27.15 a loaf.

      What makes you think this scheme will work? Congress stabilizing or limiting spending? Debts are not made to be stablized they are made to be paid! Basic Economics 101.

      All this amounts to is another license to rip off the public who loaned the money to the government but not voluntarily.

      How many guns will it take to enforce that nonsense.

      I think the true purpose of the protective echelon is becoming more and more clear.

      I would just as soon not.
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      • Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 9 months ago
        I do not disagree, but the scheme has worked for well longer than it was expressed in economic terms. It has a brief break in history here or there but it is the economic process, with more controls that has been used by kings for a thousand years.

        Eventually something happens they cannot control. As I said in the original post, if they can keep the inflation from getting away from them they will get another cycle out of this.

        This same cycle has been being used with larger and larger controls since WWII. It works, and I think I need to state, not in a good way.

        The eventual end of the cycle should be to many on welfare and tax income losses due to no jobs = System failure. If we have to wait for this to happen our grand kids are likely to still be waiting.

        In the short run, either deflation (which would stop this crap in its tracks) or hyperinflation (which would make for some awful times but not collapse the financial system they have set up) are the likely results.

        You are correct a loaf of bread would be just under 30 bucks. You want a real lump to form at the base of your neck, figure the price of gas per gallon in that economy. You think this is unrealistic, compare the prices today to those of the 1915, 100 years ago.

        Agreed that its another license to rip of the public. An elaborate one they will continue over and over again.

        As far as guns, how many has it taken to enforce it since 1915? They have been doing this since then with ever increases controls and pressure. It will likely take about the same number so long as they continue to slowly turn up the heat. People will take it /sarcasm, its only a little worse we can still make it. No need to stand up to fight /sarcasm off

        Guns wont be required until people cannot feed their kids, or at least fear being able to do so. That is what it will take to wake up the nation. How long it takes us to get there, who knows.

        In 1915 a loaf of bread was $0.07 and I suspect the idea of paying around $2.50 for that bread would have seemed out of this world. 35.71 times as much. Apply the same rate of inflation over the next 100 years and you get bread that is $89.29 a loaf. Makes $27.15 seem a whole lot more plausible and a whole lot closer than 100 years away.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 9 months ago
          Thus we are up against the wall Keynes himself stipulated. When you can't pay the interest borrowing from the future will of necessity collapse.

          As for when? Ask Grandpa and Grandma.

          there ae two latin phrases that fit.

          Recall 'Volenti non fit iniuria' i.e. A person who consents does not suffer injury. If they claim otherwise or say 'everyone does it but we thought it was meaningless 'caveat emptor' let the buyer beware. Anyone who votes for the Government Party either Democrat or Republican exactly fits those descriptions, Why should I pay the price for their cupidity?

          That applies double for those who signed up at age 18. Any one who believes this government runs afoul of...what is the latin for stupid is as stupid does?
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          • Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 9 months ago
            Thanks for your post I rather enjoyed it.

            I think the trigger for collapse will be deflation. When deflation starts it will be very quick and very harsh. Deflation both increases the value of debt and decreases taxation in the graduated tax system. It would be double whammy to all the central banks that I do not think they could get back out of. It is what they are attempting to make sure does not happen as it would be there death, and the death of the Keynes system as well.
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            • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago
              Just the opposite of the inflation they all encourage to help dig them out of the hole they dragged us all into.But for inflation you need some sort of pressure on the economy, which is just the opposite of what we have today. So go get the gold and silver!
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 9 months ago
              What was that reference the Wicked Witch of the left made about deflation in her speech. I gathered in quick passing she was referring to 2008? It seemed out of context and made not sense but I didn't dwell on it.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago
      Indded, that makes sense and is a good description of most "economic plans" from both sides. The bottom line is that the government has no moral right, or authority, to be making any kind of "plan" for the economy, it is all their flawed regulations and laws that have led to this mess, and the more they muck with it, the more the likelihood is of it imploding spectacularly, and then we will hear the infamous "pay your fair share".
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 9 months ago
    You realize that doesn't apply to retirement and b. (the other was a.) boosting is a slang term for stealing?
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago
      There is absolutely NOTHING a politician can do to boost anything. Except, to manipulate all the restrictions they have slapped on us to facilitate a particular special group to take advantage of the situation, and that rarely lasts more than a few months, before another group gets appeased. All this is is more stories.
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  • Posted by gcarl615 9 years, 9 months ago
    I saw the "speech( but muted the TV) I am thinking the flags behind her wanted to puke if they could. For someone who has never had any real job, Just like BHO, she spouts off like she knows what she is talking about. It makes me even more dispondent about our future.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago
      Yes, the fact that a large proportion of our politicians have never had to work,, or were in law, means their skewed sense of what happens in the real world is nothing to model anything on. One of my objections to our current system, it produces creatures like her, that then manipulate the media, get supported by them and ultimately, saddle us with incredible debt and restrictions.
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  • Posted by vido 9 years, 9 months ago
    Boosting wages without increasing the intrinsic value of work means that she is intending to dilute the value of currency even more. In short, this is a promise for more inflation.
    Since most of her potential electorate is made up of people who either don't work for a living or do "make work" jobs which do not really create wealth, this is a cynical promise to loot producers even more. Typical socialist frame of mind.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago
      Indeed, a special trait that the Clintons and their group learned how to manipulate very well. You are indeed correct in that value is based on the effort and results, neither of which they can effect.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 9 years, 9 months ago
    Hmmm, Hilary finding a way for government to boost wages in the private sector? This could only mean she's advocating lowering taxes on businesses and individuals! Uhh, nahhh, I must have been dreaming. I can't believe y'all woke me up for this BS.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 9 months ago
    Firstly, Obama considers himself to be a benign dictator, as will Clinton. Since the low information voters are going to respond to Clinton's something-for-nothing ploy, perhaps a cartoonish campaign might capture their votes. Sorta like -- TaxBusters! Who ya gonna call? A new product: "Moneylox. A device that locks your wallet electronically from your smartphone. (Not to be confused with smoked salmon.) Or just use Donald Trump, playing himself.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 9 months ago
    This is long after her competition (Colonel, er, Bernie) said he would push the MinEntitlement to $15. She's playing Catchup-n-Loot, falling behind in the game, and it shows.

    I don't know whether to be ecstatic to see her trying to chase the airplane that's leaving her behind, or concerned that Sanders may just steal this one from Rand.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago
      Hillary will scratch and claw to get what is "hers" this time around,I wouldn't be surprised to see some "accidents" or nasty videos of sordid background suddenly surface. I do not trust any of them, and all their words out of their mouths is immediately suspect.
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  • Posted by evlwhtguy 9 years, 9 months ago
    I love it when politicians promise things they don't have to pay for! Underlining their status as looters! I particularly liked her assertion....."Clinton will assert that the nation's economy should not be judged by a specific growth figure but rather by how much income increases for middle-class households." This underlines the re-distributionost part of the plan. She obviously intends to take from the "Rich" and give to the "Middle class" We all know what the final result will be....fudged data and a declining net growth figure...but as long as the rich are screwed, they can say they are successful. What this commie nitwit doesn't understand...or maybe she does...is that government action like this will actually increase "income inequality" as the "Rich" aren't stupid and have the wherewithal to get around whatever she does. We will find that the definition of "Middle class" will be changed...lowered....to make the numbers better.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 9 months ago
      They should do like Soros and keep their money in the Bahamas or Aruba or elsewhere. It's not rocket science. If you have that much exposure move it elsewhere while it's legal. All you got to do is pay the taxes and report the movement of the rest. I f you have enough you can start your own bank(s). the rates to the local government are a helluva cheaper than paying Washington DC graft and protection money.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 9 months ago
    Does anyone understand the "tax loophole" described int he article which lets hedgefund and private equity managers pay lower taxes than the average person? Is this just capital gains?
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    • Posted by fosterj717 9 years, 9 months ago
      The entire illegal tax code is nothing more than a shell game with goodies for everyone that can hire someone to take advantage of them. Why do you think that even the Republicans aren't pushing for any "REAL" tax reform. Rand Paul and the "REAL" Conservatives will give the country what it truly needs! A Tax Reform Colonic.......
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 9 months ago
        I kind of agree with you, but still don't know what "shell" the article refers to.
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        • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago
          I believe they are referencing the often manipulated practice of writing off all interest paid in carrying specific securities using less than your full value, as in the type of transactions where you margin you assets and someone loans you the money. When you talk huge sums, the interest can offset all your profit taxes. I am not an accountant but my idiot neighbor did that with his "day trading" when I examined his income taxes, he had traded over a million every year for three years and paid 0 taxes.
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          • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 9 months ago
            One of the loop holes goes something like this. Funds go into a transparent and often non-interest bearing account in an investment LLC. The funds are used as collateral for the real investment funds which are now hidden as the LLC is offshore. There are several versions of this that were rapidly explained by an acquaintance along with the explanatioin of why zero interest T Bills are so popular. Back to the other. The loan is invested in a fast moving type of business such as a coffee roasting plant and a fast expanding chain of franchised coffee shops.There is no profit as everything goes into expansion until the value is high enough to offsent any local taxes for money withdrawn from the business. Done correctly a great deal of return can be had by business expenses especially in the area of advertisinig. You want a sports fishing boat? The business owns it. etc.
            Eventually the loan is paid off leaving the initial account with little or no taxable assets.

            One of our more knowledgeable financial contributors may be able to correct any mistakes in the above explanation.
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  • Posted by broskjold22 9 years, 9 months ago
    This is a capitulation to her main opposition within the Democratic Party, Bernie Sanders, who believes that regardless of what you do for 40 hours a week, you should be able to send your kid to college for free. Yeah! Get an education! In fact, steal one! Yeah! That's the only way to guarantee survival these days... perhaps by design? Then, when we're all guilty of breaking some law, Hilary can commute our sentences and we can go on living by her permission. The antidote: Atlas Shrugged, Hank Rearden: “Mr. Ward, what is it that the foulest bastards on earth denounce us for, among other things? Oh yes, for our motto of 'Business as usual.' Well—business as usual, Mr. Ward!”
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    • Posted by vido 9 years, 9 months ago
      Not to worry about "stealing an eduction", colleges nowadays are not a place of education any longer, just a trap where young minds are embrigaded and conditioned by the marxist scum which is pushing away real professors. The only sensible move is of course to avoid college and go Galt.
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    • Posted by fosterj717 9 years, 9 months ago
      What is a shame is that Bernie Sanders can point to no Socialist programs that have ever truly worked. As soon as someone else' money is used up, the country crashes and burns.......Bernie, wake up and smell the coffee....
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    • Posted by bsmith51 9 years, 9 months ago
      If you've noticed how Obama sells his programs, he typically lists two absurd and extreme options before presenting his far left "moderate" option. I can't help but wonder if Bernie Sanders is being presented In the same manner as one extreme (Ted Cruz, for example, being the other), so as to eventually get us to settle for a "moderate", such as "Fauxcahontas" Elizabeth Warren.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 9 months ago
      To put it another way when you are voting Democrat and sadly nowadays republican you are voting secular progressive...I hope to incite some movement to some republicans showing some balls and forming a new part of those already elected. But so far I see no balls and only the court of Yoda and and Soros
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      • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago
        I think that Trump and Jim Webb offer the outside edge. Trump doesn't care what anyone thinks and will say what he thinks, which is sometimes pretty bizzare, but then it seems they all have their moments. Jim Webb was the Secretary of the Navy when I was in and did a good job looking out for the enlisted, and seems more in touch with some semblance of sanity. Trump has the virtue of not being a politician and understanding how to manipulate money, after, he's been bankrupt more times than I can count.
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      • Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 9 months ago
        Man, Yoda is awesome cant put him in with Soros! :)
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 9 months ago
          Why not? Soros pays him? Or is it Soros funds his secular progressive ideas. Gave yourself away on that one.
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          • Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 9 months ago
            How does Soros Pay Yoda, the Star Wars Character?
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 9 months ago
              Yoda is the nickname for the Secular Progresives theoretician and adviser a UC Berkely Professor of Cognitive science and linguistics. He's probably paid in to an account in Bahamas, Caymans or Curacao since Soros has a bank in those locations and keeps his money outside the country in the same areas.His real name is George Lakoff and along with Soros, Peter Lewis another leftist billionaire operate through the Soros sponsored Open Society institute. One of his books called Frame The Debate is a manual on how to twist facts and distort logic. They are the folks who brought you through another group they heavily sponsor, the ACLU, same sex marriage, the attack on Christmas, and the pro islamic stances, the move towards a form of economics such as that just presented by Hillary one of the acolytes and a number of other issues. They are using the device of changing the Constitution without amending it through court cases with friendly judges. The same sex marriage issue first surfaced in Massachusetts and now in Tennessee was all an ACLU -Soros setup to that end. ...Just the short version. That's the Yoda i thought you were referring to -

              My apologies to you and the real Yoda from Star Wars.But it's the SP's nickname so we''re stuck with it. i guess that makes hillary their Princess Leia and Bernie Sanders Han Solo? Obama for Darth Vader?


              You will see some of the methodology from Framing The Debate in the the thread on the draft where one of their adherents keeps claiming there is no draft and as of yesterday keeps dodging the issue.

              That lack of conversation is staight up Yoda II
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  • Posted by SaltyDog 9 years, 9 months ago
    As usual, it's a shell game. If an increasing minimum wage is mandated, price inflation will follow. If Hillery is sincere in wanting to protect purchasing power, then price controls are inevitable. And that, by definition, is a planned economy. If price controls are not part of the equation, then rampant inflation will be the result. And the only winner there is, of course, government. Big surprise, huh?
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    • Posted by fosterj717 9 years, 9 months ago
      Sure it will however they will do with inflation what they have with the bogus unemployment statistics. They will continue to lie until it finally destroys what is left of our once great country!!
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  • Posted by RevJay4 9 years, 9 months ago
    Another step in the plan of "redistribution" of wealth from the producers(those who have invested their time, money and sweat to make a business) to the moochers. Which will translate into less jobs for everyone.
    Basic econ. What a dumb broad.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago
      Good news is an article just posted says 68% see her as untrustworthy (really?), but they also see most Republicrats as well that way. The Donald takes a beating at 28% approval, no surprise there. And yes, she is a dumb broad. I cannot tell a lie.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 9 months ago
    Understanding The Wicked Witch Of The Left or What got Her....in a Wad?

    In her mind she was acting President 1993 -2001

    Along came Bush and diverted attention with a handy war and she worked in the Senate after the seat was purchased for her personal use.

    Eight years was enough for people to wonder where the balanced budget and surplus fitted into the 1.4 trillion dollar shortfall.

    But...it was not to be. Her turn and the party chose another. The fig leaf was a stint as Secretary of State. We'll see how the current lame duck treats her in his legacy.

    sixteen years out of Arkansas. Ready for the bigs! The whole world wondering is it boxers or briefs - and she can't even blow sax.

    Bernie who????

    Dammit George this wasn't in Yoda's script!

    How would you feel if iyou were always the brides maid's dress maker and never allowed in the church?

    That is one bitter itch - to scratch, Acting Prez, Senator, SecState. I forgot ...if Bore invented the internet Hillary invented the 18 month cyber gap.

    Bernie? Who else?

    Not Kerry Ever since O'Really? came out for him...Great Move Mr. No Spin Miester...who else would have thought to drive a garlic smeared stake in that wannabe candidate.

    Who else?

    Looks like the Demos are just as destitute as the Dumbos!
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 9 months ago
    I admit....Lately I find myself evaluating what I'm doing. With each leftist proposal and totalitarian law I evaluate myself. Do I want to keep working 65+ hours per week running two businesses? Do I stay in California? Do I stay in America? More and more I find that I stop, evaluate, and really think about this. Maybe I should cash out, donate my suits and ties, slip on my shorts and sandles and waddle down to the bodega for a six pack, to be consumed next to my swimming pool each glorious day. Sleep in. Relax. Fuck it...
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  • Posted by fosterj717 9 years, 9 months ago
    Bloomberg would love to step in and fill that role! If he were a Democrat president (now why isn't he running?) he would have total control and would then be the dictator that Orwell was talking about in his "1984".

    The Democrats (and a good many Republicans) are little more than Orwellian Fabians and 1984 is just around the corner.......Thanks to their fecklessness!.
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 9 months ago
    They are counting on business to somehow reduce other costs and keep the workers but pay them more. That's not will happen unless they do a directive 10-289 and tax robots at $15/hr too, or forbid reducing staff
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  • Posted by term2 9 years, 9 months ago
    Automation here we come. Good business ahead for robots. All jobs not worth $15/hr will be GONE or given to irobot if costs of automation is less than $15
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  • Posted by bsmith51 9 years, 9 months ago
    Ask any of these leftist idiots where wealth comes from and they'll probably answer, workers. Not understanding even basic economics, they don't have economic plans any more than a 5 year old has a plan for getting an astronaut safely to Mars and back.
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