Trump to Iowa evangelicals: I’m not sure I’ve ever asked God for forgiveness

Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 9 months ago to Culture
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Interesting exchange and pretty telling. I actually understand what he was saying about his faith. I also understand his statement on McCain. Trump could have fed them the standard line, instead he spoke the truth. While this doesn't guarantee my vote, his candor is pretty refreshing in the political arena.


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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You wrote (as advice to Trump), directed to the religious, "I don't hold to a religion but am dedicated to making certain that your principles and rights aren't violated."

    If someone holds irrational principles they may very well conflict with legitimate law.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Its hardly impossible. The key is to adhere to the Constitution. It can do a fine job representing everyone if they, the politicians, let it.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The only "ideology" that matters for political purposes is defending the rights of the individual, and no other philosophy in any way should be imposed by government. If a majority of, let alone the entire, population cannot support that, at least in general terms out of whatever is left of an individualist sense of life if nothing deeper, then it is over.

    Other than that principle of government, a president trying to represent the entire population is an impossibility. It becomes a futile attempt to "balance" pressure group warfare, which cannot be done but is the contradiction we have now in an ideological battle behind welfare statist unprincipled pragmatism and the egalitarian nihilist ideology of the left.
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  • Posted by $ sjatkins 9 years, 9 months ago
    I admire that he did not kowtow to such crap. A candidate's religious beliefs or lack of same has nothing at all to do with their fitness for such a position. We do have a little thing like separation of Church and State in this country. Such questions in a more decent society would have been flagged as completely out of order and inappropriate.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The communion ritual is simply the Sedur.
    It isn't in reference to canibalism, it is in reference to Passover and the flight of the Jews from Egypt.

    You might even say it is about fleeing things that are holding you in bondage and there is a "rescuer" who is paving the way for your escape.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Deals" for what and at what cost? He has yet to endorse protecting the rights and freedom of the individual as a matter of principle His obsessive emphasis on "making deals" and boasting that he "knows all the smart people" is unprincipled pragmatism, as if the solution to the decline of the country lies in making better "deals" as an end in themselves. He has attracted a lot of attention for blasting particular establishment problems with appeals to common sense, but has no depth himself.
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's not the "religious principles" that should be protected. It is the principle that your life and time belong to you and you are protected under the constitution from being forced against your will to spend your time violating your own principles.

    Ayn Rand said: "Once you lose your principles you have lost everything."
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  • Posted by $ sekeres 9 years, 9 months ago
    What troubles me is that I've never been to a Presbyterian church that served a "little wine" and a "little cracker" as part of the ritual cannabalism. It's always been grape juice and bread. Roman Catholic, yes; Greek Orthodox, yes; Lutheran, yes; Presbyterian, no. Maybe NYC is different from flyover country?
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The establishment Republicans aren't doing any better. The religious right corrupts whatever chance there is for meaningful reform even from their own candidates, and the establishment has nothing to offer to corrupt.
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  • Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Seems like the right kind to me so far...honesty. Speaking of which I watched his entire SC speech from yesterday and he mentioned in there how he has given money to everybody dems and repubs, he followed it by saying "I'm a business man, until two months ago I was a business man and I know how to get deals done...and that by the way is part of the problem with our system." (Not a direct quote), but the point is, he admits his dealings and understands the system is a mess and says so. Who else does that?
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He said nothing about McCain to apologize for. His weakness has been an inability to properly explain it beyond the initial dramatic 'emperor has no clothes'. In denying the claim that McCain is a "war hero" he did not denigrate his military record and did not attack veterans, contrary to the misrepresentations repeated even on Fox news. His emphasizing the plight of veterans is unrelated to dismissing McCain as a "war hero". He is right that they are the victim of government incompetence, including McCain's.
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  • Posted by $ 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You may be surprised to find that I agree with you. This POTUS should never be elected because of a single or a handful of specific issues. The entire populations needs to be represented and that cannot be done by any one ideology.
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  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Too late for that. He's already said http://www.christianpost.com/news/don...

    "I believe in God. I am Christian. I think The Bible is certainly, it is THE book. It is the thing,"

    "I'm a Protestant, I'm a Presbyterian. And you know I've had a good relationship with the church over the years. I think religion is a wonderful thing. I think my religion is a wonderful religion.”

    But even that isn't enough for them. They're attacking him for not.publicly extolling immersing himself in mystic seances grovelling for forgiveness over nothing in particular.

    Also, neither he nor government, nor anyone else, should be "dedicated to making certain that [religious] principles aren't violated."
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I predict that Hillary would demand Fiorina be tested to see if she's a tranny.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'll give him credit for having nerve. But I'm not at all sure it's the right kind.

    Now if he were saying about welfare recipients the kinds of things he says about Mexicans, I'd be in his camp.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 9 months ago
    Everybody knows you need to fake a relationship with god in order to be elected.

    More of the media telling you what to think. The target audience of this kind of stuff covets the neighbor's wife. Don't matter...
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 9 months ago
    I enjoy reading about Trump and what he has said and what precious applecarts he has overturned. Yay!

    But the man himself irritates me beyond words. I have watched him on a screen for probably less than 2 minutes total, and that is about all I can take. I may vote for him; I don't want to see or hear him.

    Jan
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  • Posted by teri-amborn 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Truth will always prevail.
    If I were Trump, I would simply say: "I don't hold to a religion but am dedicated to making certain that your principles and rights aren't violated." ...and leave it at that.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 9 months ago
    Trump begs the question can a truth teller who reveals his true persona win an election? The warlocks of wisdom seem to be saying no. Trump seems to be saying, "We'll see about that."
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 9 months ago
    I find Trump's apparently candid honesty to be refreshing, entertaining and at times very funny.
    Should Trump rise to the top of huge heap, I may vote for him.
    I have been favoring Scott Walker but lately I've become very impressed with listening to Carly Fiornia speak. She's extremely sharp and intelligent.
    She recently told Megyn Kelly that she's love to debate Hillary. I'd love to see that too.
    At least the lamestream media couldn't use a discrediting man bullying a woman slant.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    as a lucky veteran, I despise the lack of care for the troops, and
    despite voting last November, Nothing Has Happened
    to Help The Troops. . Dammit!!! -- j
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