How Fundamentalist Collectivism Empowers Hardliners Against the Wishes of Most Americans

Posted by Maphesdus 11 years, 3 months ago to Politics
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This is one reason that, no matter how often the courts try to kill it off, creationism ends up being presented again and again in classrooms as if it’s a scientific theory. The majority of Americans agree that evolution is how humans came to be. Despite this, as Slate recently reported, Texas students in charter schools are not only being incorrectly taught that evolution is a scientific “controversy” (it’s actually not controversial among scientists at all), but are being given religious instruction in the classroom. It’s not subtle, either, with one popular science workbook opening with a Bible quote, “In the beginning, God created the Heavens and the Earth.”

Only about 21 percent of Americans reject the label of Christian, which means that the majority of people who accept evolution is a fact are actually Christians. So, if there’s so much Christian support for the theory of evolution, why is this such a struggle? The problem is that the Christian right has successfully framed the issue as a matter of atheists and secular humanists against Christians. While some pro-science groups like the National Center for Science Education, try really hard to avoid talking at all about religion – except to say it should not be taught in science class – the truth of the matter is the pro-evolution side is strongly associated with atheism and secular humanism.

A lot of Christians actually believe that creationism is not true and should definitely not be taught in the classroom, but coming out and saying so can feel like you’re siding with the atheist team instead of the Christian one. Unsurprisingly, then, the notion that pro-evolution forces are atheist and secularist becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Nearly all the most prominent voices on the pro-science side of this issue are atheists or agnostics, because they, for obvious reasons, aren’t particularly worried about being perceived as not Christian. Once again, identity works to scare Christians into toeing the party line even if they privately disagree with what the leadership wants.


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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The article wasn't blaming Christians at all. It was blaming the tiny sliver of fundamentalist leadership that pushes radical viewpoints into politics against the wishes of most Christians.
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  • Posted by $ 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I actually didn't state anything. I just quoted the article.

    But in response to your argument, it should be noted that the First Amendment also prohibits the combination of church and state, and public schools qualify as a state function, because they are paid for with taxes. I don't have any kids of my own, but if I did, I would not want the government to force religious indoctrination on them through the public school system.
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  • Posted by mminnick 11 years, 3 months ago
    There is a fundamental flaw in you argument. You state "...no matter how often the courts try to kill it off, creationism ends up being presented again and again in classrooms as if it’s a scientific theory."
    I suggest you read the First Amendment which states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances" Denying the Creationists the right to their views and the right to teach them is a violation of this amendment.
    They, the creationists, have every right to present their views in any manner they choose. Similarly, the evolutionist have every right to say what they believe, also guaranteed by another clause of the First amendment.
    You may disagrre with their point of view, but you have no right to suppress their point of view any more than they yours.
    If the preponderance of evidence does not convince the. (assuming there is such a preponderance there is not much you can do about it.
    "Live and let live"
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Creationism is not a scientific theory. People, not the gov't, have the right to wrongly call creationism scientific theory. We do not want to stop people from saying creationism is science. We think it's a religious belief that should not be established by the gov't.

    I wonder if TX could respond by structuring those charter schools as private voucher-funded schools, with the vouchers being good at any school. So the gov't could indirectly fund these schools that blatantly teach creationism without establishing a religion. It's like if the gov't gives food stamps or other benefits, it doesn't mean the gov't is endorsing every food product someone buys with them. I actually don't have a problem with it as long as it does not appear that the gov't is endorsing a religion.
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  • Posted by $ WillH 11 years, 3 months ago
    Another trash article from a trash liberal site that praises absurd self-destructive ideas like the $15.00 an hour minimum wage. The article sites little to no sources, and makes overly broad statements with no provable facts. There are plenty of things that can be blamed on Christians, since blame seems to be the goal of the article, such as the crusades and many of the other wars in history without this drummed up drivel.

    That you for this insight into the ridiculous.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 11 years, 3 months ago
    I agree with this article, but I wish she explained why she thinks identify politics are strong with the right than left. That part sounds suspect.
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