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Transgendering A Toddler Is Child Abuse

Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 9 months ago to Philosophy
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I love the way this guy writes as well his willingness to address any 'political correctness' issue in plane language without fear of reprisal.

In this case: “The Day” referenced, is the day they decided to raise their son as their daughter. Just like that, a 3 year old says “I’m sad because I’m a boy” and his parents sentence him to a life as a transgendered person. Rather than tell Jack that being a boy was a good thing, rather than let him know society could not exist without men, rather than explain gender to Jack, deal with Jack’s sadness, or teach Jack how to be a man, these parents did what entirely too many parents do today, and placated him.

They bought him elastic hair bands and gave him ponytails. They, with the help of his pre-school teacher, began discussing what his female name would be. They, being the obviously less than creative people they are, decided to call Jack, Jackie. They bought Jack his own dresses, girl toys, and all the other things parents do when raising a girl."The hateful monsters of this world are the ones who tell sick people not to get better. The bigots are the ones who, in their contempt for humanity itself, encourage and promote a lethal illness. The cruelest and most evil people in this world are the ones who parade mental illness around as a source of pride for political purposes."

And:
"Men should be proud to be men, and women should be proud to be women. Both genders serve incredibly important and necessary purposes in society. Those purposes are different, they are unequal, and they are not always pleasant, but they have led us to become the undisputed ruling species of this planet. Those who would seek to undo this are the same ones who tell us that we should have fewer children because they blame “humanity” for the destruction of “nature” as if human beings were unnatural.

The promotion of transgenderism as some kind of civil rights cause that ought to be championed and paid for by government, is nothing short of a scheme to undo that which makes mankind the dominant species of the Earth. Gender is important, it is involuntary, and it is a positive and healthy feature of the human experience and our survival. The abolition of human gender is the abolition of the human race, I will stand in defiance against it until I am eaten by maggots, as should everyone who has even the slightest respect for humanity."


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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're right, maybe mental health care system is a misnomer, that should be corrected to 'government care system'.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Birth defects are bad enough, but parent or socially induced disorders are even worse. That's why.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't assume that a 31/2 yr old suffers from anything other than bad parenting and certainly not a disorder--they're simply not formed or developed enough at that point to be disordered. But they can certainly be influenced in their development at that point in many ways and areas of their psyches, for better and worse. Denying that reality in order to support the later development of true body dimorphic disorders and gay issues is disingenuous and simply ignores the facts of the difficulties in life that such individuals experience.

    I'm familiar with your expressed attitudes towards all things LGBT related, and you assume too far in relation to any beliefs and prejudices of mine relating to those issues on a deeply personal and individual level.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The study was Swedish so I doubt the suicides are the result of average Americans.

    I'm glad to hear of your support for private and individual contracts.
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  • Posted by TheRealBill 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Regarding item 4, it does not follow thusly. In order for that assertion it be true, so many other things which we know to be false would have to be true.

    Intelligence isn't the dominating factor in control, and really it almost never is. It is the desire, or even obsession, with being in control which is the dominant factor. Men and women would have to have the same interests as well as the same desire in the same proportion in order for your argument to stand a chance at being correct.

    We know these are not the same across the sexes. We are wired differently, and are hormonal key different. These facts ensure there is no normal distribution to naturally occur.

    Male hormones bias men toward dominating behavior. Female hormones do not.

    The world is not a place where mistaken notions of different groups with different background, culture, hormones, gut biomes, and many other traits will be "proportionally represented". It doesn't happen in nature, and there is no reason to believe it should happen.
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And you assume that I support the concept of 'the mental health system being supported by all of us'?!

    I prefer individual health insurance contracts between people and companies.

    End of problem... And are those suicides not the RESULT, just possibly, of the way the 'average American' treats or relates to SRS folks?

    Which is the cause? SRS or warped mores and interpersonal treatment of others?
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And explicit in your comment is that they're 'suffering' from a 'disorder.'

    Not logical... conclusion drawn from your beliefs and prejudices. I don't have those prejudices so I can't make those assumptions or draw those 'conclusion.'
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Who said anyone wanted to DO IT to your kids or anyone else's?!
    Why do y'all keep injecting that into the "discussion"?!

    Oh, sorry... I realized why...
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  • Posted by TheRealBill 9 years, 9 months ago
    Thanks for dredging up the memory of witnessing the horror of a movie called Sleepaway Camp.

    The only thing worse than that movie was the fact they made sequels.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You might check the referenced study concerning suicide attempts, suicide successes, and mental treatments both before and after SRS. To be paid for by the mental health are system's funding source. All of us.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'd think it's obviously above 31/2. And that's not funny since influenced transgenderism has the probability of ruining a life.

    Want to do that with your kids--go ahead. Want to do it with mine--don't try it!!
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I've talked to 31/2 yr olds, about fairies, animals that talk, what a tickle is, how to remember to go to the toilet, why one should eat all vegetables, why clowns aren't scary, why the pet dog isn't there anymore, why we don't play outside in our pajamas, that the ouch from the skinned knee is all better now, and a lot more in that line.

    But Body dysmorpic disorder like how one buys a car or how stars form seem to be a little outside their concerns or abilities to comprehend at that point.
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And some change their minds and inclinations later in life. So, what's the bright red line of age, below which no person can make the decision of how to dress or act, and above which they're 'suddenly' qualified to do so?

    Y'all are SO funny!
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ah, woody, I don't think the issue is that the trans world wants a tax deduction or other subsidy to help them on their chosen path...

    They just don't want their decision to be thwarted by any government official or group who thinks they're 'wrong' for thinking the way they do.

    That's where so many potential libertarians unmask themselves as ordinary Conservatives.

    Where, in the link, other than in some of the ranting comments, was there ANY mention of 'demanding that you or anyone else PAY for it?!'
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I fear that you're correct about some of these cases--I hope not the 'lot' you mention. And I strongly agree with therapy instead of physical alteration of one's body.
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  • Posted by davidmcnab 9 years, 9 months ago
    A lot of these transgender cases can be the result of being born the opposite gender to what one or both of one's parents wanted. Another source is when one or both parents have a hatred for the baby's gender. A lot of these cases would clear up with some in-depth, preferably Jung-inspired, counselling, not the pissy superficial CBT shit that seems to be all the rage today.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 9 months ago
    While I agree with your assessment of the original story, I question the mindset of the blogger you linked to. He wrote: "It’s a good thing I was a child of the 80’s. While I certainly have my disagreements with how my parents handled a lot of things in my childhood and beyond, this was one of their better decisions. Boys need to be taught by their fathers how to be men. Girls need to be taught by their mothers how to be women. My father wasn’t the best of role models, but he taught me to work, he taught me that a man sometimes had to fight, he taught me that a man often had to put his emotions aside and do what was necessary."

    (1) The challenges to gender roles are not post-millennial inventions. Simone de Beauvoir THE SECOND SEX (1949). Betty Friedan THE FEMININE MYSTIQUE (1963). MS. MAGAZINE (1971). This has been a long time coming.

    (1A) It parallels the civil rights movement in the USA, and properly so. (It is deeply meaningful that Major League Baseball was integrated before Brown v. Board.) Some see the present course as decadent but to me, it is an Age of Reason built upon a Renaissance. The post-industrial society and information era were constructed on the foundation of 19th century capitalism. (Yes, I know about the Federal Reserve and the Income Tax, just as after the Renaissance, we had intervening wars of religion, before the Enlightenment.)

    (2) What does it mean to be a "man" or a "woman"? Those roles are socially constructed, and they changed over time and place. As I pointed out before Karl Marx wrung his hands over the way capitalism took women out of the home. Isaac Asimov called the typewriter the greatest liberator in history. I point out that the first telephone operators were boys, but women replaced them for all the right reasons. I have written here also about women telegraphers. Is there any reason that a man cannot stay home and raise the kids while the wife who earns more works outside the home?

    (3) More deeply, consider that blogger Christopher Cantwell believes that being a man means stifling his emotions. In the first place, that repression is a blanking out, a refusal to identify reality. Your emotions are the sum total expressions of your lifelong ideas. Negate them and you deny yourself -- which many men do -- with disastrous psychological consequences.

    (3A) Alternately, I grant that not letting your emotions run away with you is often a good path. Heroism is overcoming your fears. Do women not get to enjoy the same strength of character? Would she not be a "real woman". History is replete with women who showed courage on the battlefield - and who were no less wives and mothers.

    (3B) Is womanhood then synonymous with wifehood and motherhood? Must a man be a husband and father to be a man? These questions are over 50 years old. Mostly, they have been answered by two generations who reject the Victorian role models.

    (4) Those role models were eroded by capitalism. The machine age removed the advantage of physical strength and delivered the advantage to intelligence. Since women are statistically more intelligent than men, it follows that a truly free society would be a mirror image of ours, with women in marginal control of most things and men marginally in supportive roles, a world of Dagny Taggarts and Eddie Willerses.

    (5) A couple of months ago, I read through 2312 by Kim Stanley Robinson. The novel was flawed on several grounds, but I accept his sociological assumption that gender and sex would be fluid. By analogy, you could not go back to 1715 and explain America today as a land without five grades of nobility and no royal house. … A land not just with no national church, but one where 20% of the people express little or no religious affiliation. … A land where most people spend many hours each day writing letters to each other…
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I agree with you 100% on that. The parents are idiots. To play on an old saw, God must love the stupid: he made so many of them.

    That said, though, the fact is that "sissies" and "tomboys" are often not just phases kids grow out of - and the longterm choices do not yet resonate well within our society. While adults manage well enough, tweens and teens have it pretty hard. High school is a harsh environment. I grant, though, that we have made much progress.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think that a young girl being a tomboy, and a young boy being 'sensitive' fit well within the bell curve of biological, mental, and societal norms of humans. Both can and do have significant impacts on our societies and human condition and acceptance is not normally a problem anymore than 'true ladies' or 'men's men'. But when it comes to a belief that a 31/2 yr old can express a life changing choice to be supported to the level of the family discussed in the essay--that's nonsense.
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