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What kind of depravity is required to think this way?

Posted by AmericanGreatness 9 years, 9 months ago to Culture
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Evil that's hard to fathom...


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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The bigger point is that those sales are ILLEGAL! What this woman is admitting to is systematic and organizational law-breaking of such scope that merits not only an immediate termination of all taxpayer funding, but criminal indictments throughout the organization. The extent of this admission should be enough to shut down PP NOW.
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  • Posted by DeadRight 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You'll save the whales, you'll save the seals, you'll save whatever's cute and squeals.
    But you'll kill that thing that's in the womb, would not want no baby boom.
    Steve Taylor, Song writer.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 9 months ago
    What should also NOT be overlooked is that this practice is strictly ILLEGAL - regardless what one feels of the morality of the issue. That she admits to this at a very minimum should get her thrown in jail for facilitation and failure to report. If I had my way, PP would have been shut down a long time ago for all their illegal activities alone - not to mention their despicable morals.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 9 months ago
    would you believe it is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY!!!!!!!
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I fundamentally disagree with Rand on this issue, and now science has proven her wrong.

    We now know that EKG can detect brain activity as early as six weeks, and premature babies can survive much earlier that thought.

    If life doesn't begin at conception, someone please prove to me when it does.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 9 months ago
    Well, that's an interesting question. Rand advocated for abortion on demand, on the ground that it's not human until it's born. But the OP sees something about this that's discomfiting.

    Now you have to ask yourselves: how long has this been going on?

    I make no secret. I say it's human from the moment a zygote forms. That the law does not treat it that way, leads straight back to the ancient Roman practice of exposure-at-birth.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    After the riots of the last few years, I can easily see the setup for Todos Santos happening. It might not be Los Angeles, but the conditions are here NOW.
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  • Posted by romcentee 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    It's backwards. Instead of increasing assistance
    for each new baby, assistance should be decreased if you have another baby. Presto - birth control.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 9 months ago
    I've never accepted this, to me, strange and abhorrent obsession over dead bodies and the insane costs paid by family members to preserve the dead body in exorbitant coffins and vaults and memorialize that body's place in the earth with grave markers and at least yearly pilgrimages to the burial site for the rest of your life. I've told the story before of getting stuck with my cousin having to bury our Grandmother's amputated leg at her gravesite so it would be their when she died, and she would thereby be able to enter heaven with both limbs.

    I've told my sons to cremate me, have a memorial if they wish, find a good trout stream in some mountains and throw my ashes in it, then remember me in any way they wish. If someone could make an ethical (Objectivist only) use of part of my body, I wouldn't mind, but I'm afraid that this old body is past the use-by-date. It seems to me that it's the height of self aggrandizement to place an obligation of your body on your family to preserve, protect, and worship after death. It's almost neolithic.

    I don't see anymore worth to a dead (for whatever reason) fetus, and if a researcher can use it for some benefit for future people, why not. Death is a part of life from conception on and there's no guarantee either prior to birth or after. The only reason I can see for all of this turmoil is some religionists beliefs that a supernatural being somewhere has a spare soul sitting around that he wants to stick in it and some of their beliefs that the bodies go into a grave and wait for the end when god pulls them out of the ground and restores them or some such stuff.

    In some ways this argument seems to align with PETA's objections to what we do with animals and animals' bodies.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Number one the dividing line is fetus and viable.

    As for the last sentence the originator of that thought put it this way. Our society cares more about dogs than children. Robert Heinlein wrote that. It was true then and more true now and for the same objectively provable reasons.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not at all and it has nothing to do with race. First off I believe in safe sex and birth control methods. Second abortion of the fetus.
    Third none of the late term, partial delivery when the fetus is viable.

    I would also look at the welfare baby factories and be in favor of tubal ligation and vasectomies after the first ''accident'' and before receiving any assistance.

    Speaking in a general welfare of the nation way.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Am I the only one who would rather see some of these babies aborted than see them born and treated like garbage and bankrupt our country?
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, there's never been a shortage of depravity, but 60% abortion rate in black community is definitely a new phenomena... brought on by liberal policies.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    He and Jerry Pournelle both do hard sci-fi. One of my favorites is near future. Also fairly prophetic on the societal front.

    Oath of Fealty.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think depravity has always existed and always will. There will always be depraved and disgusting individuals. What is really depraved is a society that no longer shuns and punishes this kind of depravity. Not to mention that Planned Parenthood is stealing.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The tragedy is that for all the talk about the need for embryonic stem cell research (and the right standing in the way of it), the actual breakthroughs have come from umbilical stem cells and reprogramming of adult stem cells.

    It's more pipe dreams to justify killing unborn children.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Unfortunately, I agree. When one looks at what's happening in the world today, it seems depravity knows no bounds. It's as if the moral compass of mankind has been destroyed... or at the very least severely damaged.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My guess would be harvesting specific stem cell types.

    Or using the infant tissue for conversion into stem cells. Someone (Jbrenner maybe?) linked a story about that process some time back. They have developed, or are experimenting with a process to convert differentiated tissue back into stem cells.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    K, I am sorry to say that I am convinced that there are more that a few women who would take a fetus to late term, even delivery, and then sell the baby for its organs.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    They don't give a damn about people period.

    However that does not stop them from using "Its for the Children" as a rallying cry for any silliness they want to pick your pockets to fund.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 9 months ago
    Does anybody have an idea what they are doing with these body parts?
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 9 months ago
    I have part of a dead person in my knee. The provider of that part to the surgeon was paid a handsome sum. The family of the person who started out with the part and died got nothing. I have a problem with that. We are told to donate our body parts due to some altruistic requirement...then this happens. If I could donate my body in order to help fund my grandkids' college educations I'd do it without hesitation.

    That aside, what we are talking about here is a problem that I see as one of our biggest problems in this country - a failure to recognize the value and sovereignty of life. This, in my opinion, is part of the foundation for Objectivism. Our lives, our bodies, and our minds are our own...

    If you think our society values babies any more after their born I have a bridge to sell you. Our society (our government) doesn't give a rat's ass about children.
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