Considering I have heard numerous, 1st person stories about welfare recipients having babies to get more money, that is a GREAT idea. If our dollars have to support the kid, at least we should have some say in how many...

this is appeal. I get that. I am sticking in logic

To whom is this comment directed??

What is your proposal?
Birth control implants for welfare recipients as long as they are on welfare?

Aint that the truth?

well said, blackswan

If everyone acted responsibly, there would be far fewer abortions. As this is not the case, I am proposing we do something to reduce the number of victims. Also, I don't want to pay for any more welfare babies....

" callously indifferent to the agony inflicted on a completely innocent being within minutes of birth." -- Abortions are not performed on babies "within minutes of birth."

" to prolong the torture of that unborn child" -- Typically, the fetus is killed first by a puncture through the head before it is removed. Whether upper, lower, or any other part is crushed after that or not, really does not matter from the point of view of "prolong[ing] the torture of that unborn child.

"If a child within days of breathing open air is only "fetal tissue,"' -- Again, abortions (legal ones) are not performed on fetuses/babies/children that are "within days of breathing open air".

"Some "pro-choice" (I have to laugh at that label, because these people are against the choice of a woman to bear live children)" -- Since when did the "pro-choice" camp prohibit or was in anyway against "a woman to bear live children"?

"have actually said a mother shouldn't be tried for murder if she kills her child before its first birthday" -- Don't know where you're finding a fringe group like that, but I'm sure that one can always find fringe groups, if he look hard enough. I seem to be coming across a fringe group that insists the the Universe is 6,500 years old...

And I'm not too clear on the significance of the motorcyclists to this issue...

Eeewwwww

Wow. you must be loads of fun at parties. It's so rare to meet someone who knows everything, and is not even open to discussion that he might be wrong...

Dogs and monkeys have brainwaves and a heartbeat, and once born and lived are indeed more than a mass of cells.

The woman is made a slave when she is forced to carry a baby to term against her wishes.

She is not a slave to the unborn baby, but instead is enslaved by and to the meddlers who claim moral superiority and insist their values are the only valid ones.

We're deteriorating like the Romans did. Planned Parenthood is our Colosseum.

Ah... Isn't it nice that we can resort to arguing minutiae when we have no rational argument? Speaking of which, it's typos, not typoes.

That would be completely different. I am not against abortions or against using body parts for the benefit of science, with the individual's prior (obviously) consent. But as long as people that are opposed to abortion, on religious or whatever basis, are forced to pay for a public organization that performs them, these people should have a right to know what is going on and have a right to approve or disapprove the organization's actions. And I agree, there shouldn't be any public extortion, eh, I meant, funding.

I don't think we are talking about a mass of cells; at least I'm not. I'm talking about an abortionist pulling the arms and legs off of a being with brain waves and a heartbeat.

+1 for truth

Well said

We can hardly be missing the bigger point since you never actually made a point at the start of the thread. You keep changing your "main point" every time you get push back.

I didn't say anything about any public funding. There shouldn't be any. So what would be your opinion if they were privately or patient funded?

I'm confused. You believe abortion is "killing a child," but you wouldn't propose legislation against it? So are you saying it's okay to kill a child as long as you're not the one doing it?

It would appear that your feelings about being a "slave," since you have now used that word about 10 times (I'm guessing here.) are interfering with your ability to accept the biological facts. It doesn't appear that have done the research I suggested earlier, I will provide a quote from What to Expect...
"Week 6 - Your baby's face is taking shape, which is something sweet to think about as you race to the toilet to pee again.... Also taking shape this week, her kidneys, liver and lungs, along with her little heart, which is now beating 80 times a minute..."

swan, ALL lives matter, including the females who find themselves pregnant

Make me a slave tem. Just say it

Gods' hairy balls
, doc. We have been over run. As they say here in the gulch - manana en la manana. Gah!!!!!