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What kind of depravity is required to think this way?

Posted by AmericanGreatness 9 years, 9 months ago to Culture
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Evil that's hard to fathom...

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  • Posted by AmericanGreatness 9 years, 9 months ago
    In the heat of this discussion, I thought it appropriate to make a comment to the entire group.

    It's a testament to the Gulch, that even when discussing a topic a contentious as abortion that, the tone is respectful and reasoned.

    We're hear of our own free will and spirited debate ensues.
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  • Posted by TheRealBill 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm really hoping there is a pair of typoes in there. The idea of a human being 18 months pregnant is ... disconcerting. ;)
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  • Posted by AmericanGreatness 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ok again, we're getting into the weeds and missing the bigger point.

    As I mentioned in previous post, it's like arguing total number of Jews killed in the Holocaust as a threshold bar to determine if killing them was wrong in the first place.

    For the sake of the discussion, let's say 35% of black pregnancies nationally, and 60% in NY, end in abortion. Is that ok? Is that not a problem? Does that not lead to the devaluing of human life?
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  • Posted by AmericanGreatness 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    First, aggregate across the entire population and aggregate within a demographic are two completely different sets of data analysis.

    Your data on the abortion numbers since1973 is inaccurate on multiple levels (in terms absolute numbers as well as within the black community).

    This line of debate, however, misses the point. It's as if we were arguing over exact number of Jews killed in the Holocaust as the determining factor in whether or not it was wrong to kill them in the first place.
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  • Posted by TheRealBill 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Thus illustrating the point - in order to have useful conversation you have to agree on the terms used. ;)
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You might want to do a little more research. To date, only one significant research topic has resulted from the use of embryonic stem cells (the ones derived from aborted fetuses) that I am aware of. Dozens have been the result of research using adult stem cells or umbilical cord-derived stem cells. And the research using all three of these forms has been going on for the same amount of time - since the early 80's.

    If you were an investor and you had a billion dollars, would you invest in the one which had already generated success dozens of times over or the one which to date had only one success and had associated ethical debate which would immediately kill 50%+ of your potential market?
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  • Posted by AmericanGreatness 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Unless I'm mistaken, no one is asserting that evolution/change within a species occurs. The issue is that there is no evidence supporting the notion that one species evolves into a completely different species. In fact, quit the opposite is true. When species interbreed, the resulting offspring is sterile as a natural halt to dilution of both species.

    The theory of evolution remains a theory, precisely because the "missing link" remains unproven. This is a challenge for many reason, but not the least of which the expected abundance that should exist given the numbers that would have been necessary to the transition to occur.

    Further, why did the transition stop? Presumably, evolution from one species to the next should still be occurring.

    I'm certainly open to evaluating new evidence as it's found, but for the "theory of evolution" advocates to simply discount those that subscribe to intelligent design as crackpots or devoid of reason on this subject is somewhat disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.
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  • Posted by H6163741 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Religion has nothing to do with. Check out the book What to Expect When You're Expecting. Or do wanted children develop differently from unwanted?
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Careful there. The biological definition of life includes one-celled organisms who can replicate from their own biological material. Viruses are a grey area because they cause the death of their host when they replicate through parasitism. If you are going to compare a fertilized egg to either, you're going to have to come down on the side with bacteria - which is the side of life.
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  • Posted by TheRealBill 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Still irrelevant to the charges which can and should be leveled if the allegations are true.
    There is no evidence offered which says the abortions were illegal, thus that is not a crime you can charge the involved parties with. Theft, however, is because they took body parts that were given to another party. Conspiracy to commit fraud and fraud itself may also be appropriate.

    This particular thread between you and I is done. You're not interested in the details, simply pushing your ideology so no rational discussion to be had here either.
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  • Posted by H6163741 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was responding to the comment that blacks don't abort more than whites. Did not mean to address you.
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  • Posted by TheRealBill 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And how does that equate to more than half of blacks wanting to end human life, exactly? If the data shows less than half of blacks are aborting pregnancies, how do you distort that to conclude more than half want to?
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  • Posted by Flootus5 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have expressed the desire that when I go, the mortal remains are quickly taken miles out in the desert (why not Obama's new Basin and Range National Monument) and dumped in a wash. The coyotes can then pull it apart and scatter the bones about. Back to nature, man.
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  • Posted by H6163741 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Check your premises. The U.S. Census shows 19.5 abortions per thousand for whites and 48.3 per thousand for blacks.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This, too, is a very dangerous and slippery slope because it is a subjective measurement. Do we draw the line at an IQ of 80 or 60 or 100 or do we draw the line at the existence of intelligence? This gets even shadier if one includes psychological characteristics or illnesses such as Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, Lou Gehrig's, etc. The argument is that life isn't valued for being life, but for it's quality. I would caution against this argument as it is precisely the same rationale used by Hitler and the Nazis in WW II. It proposes the notion that some humans get to subjectively determine what constitutes as life. I advise anyone considering such to tread carefully as they may find themselves on the outside looking in one day.
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  • Posted by H6163741 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And the lack of information regarding fetal development and the inability of a woman to see an ultrasound before aborting are what cause the baby's body to be killed.
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  • Posted by H6163741 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I recommend you check out the book What to Expect When You're Expecting, which gives information regarding fetal development by week. Whether a baby is wanted or not does not change its development.
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