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The Conflict Within - The Left's Version of Creationism

Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 9 months ago to Philosophy
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I've mentioned in other comments, a recent book I've been reading and studying by a favorite Astro-physicist, Hilton Ratcliffe, titled "Stephen Hawking Smoked My Socks." The primary emphasis of this book, that follows much of Ratcliffe's previous work has to do with the effect of belief systems on scientific inquiry and mathematical formulation of and nonsensical corrections/additions to theories to incorporate such beliefs into current scientific research and even experimental findings. In these writings, Ratcliffe is really talking about socially derived belief's-faith's impact on science today, as well as the fact that all humans grow up with sets of belief systems that those in science, in particular though not exclusively, must first recognize such belief systems' impacts and their influences on their and their predecessors' work, but then take the extremely difficult path of ensuring that such does not interfere with their actual and factual experimental and measured findings and work.

Now, I've recently encountered another source in the referenced blog (Gene Expression), that goes even further than Ratcliffe in describing this phenomena of human existence in scientific work by delving into the scientific squabble that's been going on since the 70's with those, sometimes termed neo-darwinists', that searched for and believe they've found support in their studies and work to support what they've termed sociobiology. A term developed to explain many studied characteristics of today's individual humans actions and responses whose predilections in society are derived from evolutionary genetic traits at neural and molecular levels combined with environmentally influenced expressions. The referenced article, though not easily read, describes those opposing sociobiology as driven by their own early Marxist and Stalinist indoctrination that wish to believe that humans are so malleable as to be controlled through progressive/socialist government and institutional policies and imposed moralities.

The article goes on to compare the opposing leftist, progressive influence to the rightist, conservative arguments on creationism:
"Rose, like his fellow travellers Gould and Lewontin, doesn't want his worldview, which has been extensively shaped by Marxist philosophy, to come crumbling down. The solutions proffered are state centered, gene-phobic, and premised on the extreme malleability of human nature. Further, like Diamond, he knows what sells and what his fans want to read and hear. He panders to the ideology, whether he truly believes in the Ghost in the Machine or not, and despite the warnings offered by Ehrenreich, McIntosh and Konner, the faithful of the Left lap up the ideologically reassuring pablum and turn a blind eye to the reality unfolding before them. The core of this faith is that human nature is malleable beyond limits that now exist, and like I've written before, along with my co-bloggers, it is that faith in the face of reason that binds one faction of the Left to their faith-based counterparts on the Right and like on the Right, the Left has its charlatans and hypocrites delivering these sermons." (emphasis added)

For Objectivist, these ideas and concepts will make a lot of sense. For those dedicated to the validity of their beliefs-faith, as the author says, in the face of reason, they will find much to argue with (if they even bother to read and follow some of the referenced material before commenting).


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I've been disappointed lately in the level of much posting and commentary on the site of recent days, and much of my posting lately is an attempt to restore to the site, a quality of Objective thought, posting, and commentary; as well as further the value of reason over faith/belief.


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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Absolutely, it's in no way just confined to religion and leftist. We all develop beliefs, it's part of the genetic makeup of the ways our minds work. The trick, I think that a lot of Rand's work was to get people to recognize that those beliefs are there and to provide a foundation from which we can logically and morally test those beliefs against our lives in reality.

    I like Scientific American Mind as well.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not just the 'as yet, unexplained', but also the current explained based on current knowledge and testability. As an example M and String Theory have produced absolutely nothing that has any possibility of testing after decades of theorizing and elegant mathematics invention.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I really haven't done much study of Hume or the Scottish Enlightenment other than a little bit of Smith.

    I'd like to see your argument when you get far enough along with it. I agree with your thinking, particularly the differences in 'soft' vs 'hard' sciences. My thinking on the subject is that somewhere, Marx or his influences are going to fit somewhere in the mix. I just haven't had that much time to look for the influences on Marx yet.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    There is really no such thing as consensus in science. There are only things known to date plus theories that aren't yet tested or demonstrated in reality and procedures or 'understandings' that seem to work, yet don't fully explain facts yet, i.e. gravity.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No. I mean I do not understand the rest of your comment. Please make yourself more clear as to what your point is.
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    Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    To the contrary, I offer it as evidence that the promoters of the narrative of biological evolution, and not those of creation, have been violating the rules of the epistemology of science.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "creationist and atheist, are two sides of the same coin."

    This is not true and shows a complete lack of understanding of the epistemological basis of science.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 9 months ago
    K & I just listened to a good book tape, The Violinist's Thumb, which is related. The author talks about the Marxist interpretation of biology, which killed biology in the USSR, and Marxist ideas in genetics.

    His conclusion is that genes are more probabilities or tendencies that determinative.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Zen, I have been working on a plausible argument that "social sciences" or soft sciences were born from the Scottish Enlightenment and the hard sciences were born the Enlightenment. The Scottish Enlightenment is actually an anti-enlightenment movement, most clearly seen in David Hume's work, which denied causality and brought up the famous "is-ought" problem in ethics. Social sciences can't be sciences, because their very foundations deny causality.

    BTW David Hume and Adam Smith were great friends. The philosophical underpinnings of Freud and psychology are from Franz Brentano who I believe should be characterized intellectually as part of the Scottish enlightenment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_B...
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    Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You mean you do understand the rest of my comment, and might yourself suffer some cognitive dissonance.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The psychological effect discovered by Festinger has been replicated thousands upon thousands of time since. Yes, cognitive dissonance does apply to evolutionists. It applies to everyone.

    I do not understand the rest of your comment.
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    Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Dr. Festinger could apply that thesis to the promoters of evolution.

    Didn't Rand herself say, "After all, the theory of evolution is only an hypothesis"?

    Dr. Walt Brown was just beginning his work when she died, more's the pity. Today his work stands as a stark challenge to anyone who says with a straight face that he follows the evidence where it leads, and it comes out "old earth," "no Flood," "uniformitarianism," "abiogenesis," and "common descent."
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  • Posted by Esceptico 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Not true. Here is the problem as Leon Festinger discovered and worte about in his book "When Prophecy Fails." If you were presented with evidence that even you agreed was accurate, would you change your mind? The answer is most likely no.

    The problem is cognitive dissonance. For most people there are some beliefs are not amendable to change. In fact, most beliefs are not changeable.

    The most difficult beliefs for people to examine are those beliefs which have been
    (1) held for a long time,
    (2) adopted before age of reason, and
    (3) most often repeated.

    Which explains why it is impossible to have a conversation on the two subjects one should never discuss socially: Religious and political beliefs. Both of these belief sets are indoctrinated by parents, teachers, religious leaders, and other adults, almost from birth, many years before the age of reason, and they are the most often repeatedly “drummed” into them. People will kill based upon their beliefs, but they will not examine whether the belief is true or false.
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    Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The point is: the evidence on which so many people rely to craft the Evolutionary Narrative turns out to be fraudulent or at best to have no consistent, testable, verifiable defense. And what people don't tell you is, others have put their theoris to the test and found them false.
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    Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    All right.

    Piltdown and Peking "Men." Both frauds. Piltdown Man turned out to be an orangutan. He fooled an awful lot of people before the perpetrators of the fraud admitted it.

    Nebraska "Man," who turns out to be a pig.

    Mount St. Helens. Rock "dating out" at anywhere from half a million to two million years, that formed ten years before sampling.

    The Crinum Coal Mine in Australia. Wood, "dating out" at 37,000 years old, buried in rock "dating out" at a million years old.

    Polystrate fossils.
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  • Posted by Esceptico 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Your conclusion is too easily attacked and overcome. The evolutionists I know, including myself, do not "want" to believe any particular conclusion. We believe only when the evidence drives us to the conclusion. Provide solid evidence to the contrary, and I would change my belief.
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    Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    But you have the same problem you say I have. The evolutionists want to believe what they say is true. (Because, Lord knows, if what they are saying is not true, and the world turns out to have had a Chief Architect after all, they'd have a lot to answer for.)
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  • Posted by Esceptico 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I disagree with your conclusion. CSC looks like the same old First Cause argument to me. In short, I think evidence is seriously lacking for what is portrayed on the six minute video and the other offerings at CSC. There is simply too much evidence, converging from too many disciplines of science, to give any credibility to creationism. The site is, to me, 100% Christian apologetics, not science.

    Whether the evolution or creationism is correct, is a epistemological question. One should always ask: What do I know? (metaphysics) and How do I know it? (epistemology). Brown wants to believe what he says is true and nothing will change his mind. This is because of the common culprit cognitive dissonance, something all of us must constantly guard against.

    A seeker of truth must always allow the possibility he may be wrong. I do. I will change my belief if presented with solid evidence to the contrary. But, it is not easy.
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I read a bit (in the spirit of inquiry), and was not impressed. Erroneous statements are made and then conclusions are announced, based on those statements.

    It has convinced you; it totally failed to even interest me.

    Jan
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    Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I don't see how it would. The evidence at the link I gave, invalidates the premise that the earth is incredibly old. So not enough time can have passed. Live did not have one ancestor. It had several.
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