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This is Why Even Innocence and Compliance is No Guarantee of Your Safety During a Police Stop

Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 9 months ago to Philosophy
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I was reading this while watching Schindler's List. The similarities and progressions were frightening.

"Handcuffed and Helpless
There’s a naive idea floating around that an innocent person should never be afraid of cops

What you are about to read is not a philosophical argument. It’s a personal testimony. The aim of telling this story is neither to make a political statement, nor to score points for a particular ideology. For almost three years, I’ve mostly held it in. But it’s become clear to me that it’s time to give a more detailed account to a broader audience."

And: "Without asking to see my license or registration, the officer on my side told me to get out of the car. I immediately and respectfully complied without raising a single question or objection. And in case you’re wondering, I wasn’t dressed in gang colors, nor was I wearing a hoodie.

When I exited the car, he turned me around, handcuffed me, threw me against the side of my car, and did a complete body search on me. As he groped me, he said, “This is how we do it in LA.”"

Then: "Imagine what goes on inside of a man’s head when he’s handcuffed and helpless as he watches two men with guns get in his wife’s face. Imagine the complex blend of confusion, fear, irrational optimism, and rage that festers inside one’s soul as he watches one cop take his wife’s purse and pour all the contents out, while the other officer literally crawls around inside our car for several minutes."

Finally: "As I slowly walked back to our car, I said to one of the officers, “Sir, I’m not trying to be antagonistic or disrespectful, but is there a reason for why I was pulled over?”

“We just had to check you out.”"

Is it time that we all asked questions or is it already too late? How compliant do you have to be to end up in a Police State?

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Note: Since the author is a philosopher, I've categorized this post such.


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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Another good find that I almost posted a day or two ago, but I've stirred the pot enough the last couple of days:

    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/dont...

    A couple of days ago 'The Counted' had deaths at 657. I started reviewing and was really surprises how many deaths by Taser were listed.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Outstanding find kaila. I've always liked Josie the Outlaw and that sheriff really impressed me. I'm going to try and find the full film. Txs
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think that's true. Look at the soldiers in Afghanistan that were tried and punished for peeing on dead Taliban, that had been mutilating dead Americans. I certainly remember ROE's for standard infantry in Nam, that you had to wait for Cong to shoot at you before you could fire at them, not NVA--they were identifiable in uniforms.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    K and I went to a movie at Freedom Fest (sorry don't know the exact name) and they argued that military personnel are held to a higher standard in a war zone than police interaction with civilians.
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  • Posted by BrettRocketSci 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ooh, what is this company's name? I have a dashcam in my car. No budget for this bigger system yet but I'll work toward it!
    You know, just putting a sticker on your window is probably enough. Just like putting a security system sign on your house. The deterrent effect still works. But if you can still share that company, thanks!
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is why there should be few laws but strictly and consistently enforced. If we have a policy of not enforcing a law, letting everyone go 5 over or whatever, now we have a seemly-legitimate excuse for going after anyone the authorities desire. The law becomes a fig leaf for rule of people.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 9 months ago
    It's too late.

    I have personally known cops my whole life. Hell...one of my earliest memories was going door-to-door with my folks in Santa Clara to help them campaign for a family friend who eventually was elected chief of police. Anymore, I fear the police. I've had very little interaction with police the past 30 years but what I've seen is enough to know that things have really changed. As of the past 8 years or so I no longer have any cop friends. The good guys I grew up admiring have all retired. I've partied with some of the younger guys and, unfortunately, they aren't the kind of people I want around my family.
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  • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Often, the cops hold "training sessions" where a more experienced cop would sick a youger one onto a victim to provide some practice in establishing control. The victim does not need to be guilty of anything, just fit a description of a hare.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Government should give notice of its lack of "responsibility" by imprinting it on every tile installed on the floor. Oh, but then it would have to be done in every politically correct language, too.
    Good article, db, thanks.
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  • Posted by Lucky 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In dbh's post above a link is given. It will work if you delete the bracket at the end.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And here's some experienced commentary on the selected statistics released by some cities after they've had national attention drawn to their abusive actions towards their citizens:
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    "The Ferguson effect is an unlikely reason, said Jeffery Ulmer, associate head of the Department of Sociology and Criminology at Penn State University in State College, Pennsylvania.
    "Is it possible that somehow high-profile police shootings have angered some local populations and caused a rise in violent crime of all kinds in the last few months? Yes. Do I find that scenario likely nationwide? No, not at all."
    More likely, he said, is that local forces are at play.
    Violent crime rates are often in response to major changes in policing, but are mostly driven by social factors such as the size of the youth population, the amount of socioeconomic disadvantage and social disorganisation in a given city.
    Violent crime being up in NYC is related to the decrease in "stop and frisk", said Alfred Blumstein, a criminologist at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
    The New York City Police Department's historical main tactic for stopping people has significantly decreased after the way it was exercised was deemed unconstitutional.
    "Inevitably, there was a trade off," said Mr Blumstein. "[Stop and Frisk] was certainly a deterrent effect to carrying a gun in the street."
    New York City's historic drop in crime since the 1980s is "astonishing", said Mr Blumstein, but continuing downward trends cannot go on forever.
    Mayor de Blasio said summer was also to blame - last year saw an uptick in crime at the end of spring and beginning of summer for New York City as well. Researchers from the University of North Carolina found a correlation between higher temperatures and violent crime rates in a 2004 study.
    Could the increase be just a blip?
    Violent crime is not going up everywhere. Philadelphia has seen a 41% decrease in murders since 2007.
    Short-term spikes are statistically unreliable, especially if they come after a long-term decline, and could just be a blip, said Dr James Alan Fox, a criminologist at Northeastern University in Boston.
    "It's a ridiculous silly game of focusing too much on too little, trying to ascribe it to something like the impact of [events in] Ferguson," said Mr Fox. "None of these statistics are reliable."
    A wider window of statistics would be much more reliable than a handful of figures representing January to May of this year, he said.
    That flattened feeling police officers are having in Baltimore? It will pass, Dr Fox said.
    "I don't want to minimise the tragedy of so many dying... but the sky is not falling," he said.
    Anthony Reuben, head of statistics, BBC News:
    Some of the rises in violent crime so far this year are indeed striking, but I understand there have been similarly impressive falls in other cities.
    It is usually a mistake to declare a trend based on a few months of figures for a handful of cities. It is also difficult to blame this selection of figures on a nationwide problem with US policing, or anything else for that matter.
    I'm sure the relevant police departments are looking at these figures very carefully, but we will need considerably more data over a longer period to be able to draw any meaningful conclusions."
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    Personally, I kind of wonder if the nationwide monitoring and reporting of death by police might somehow be incorporated in the increased murders in some cities resulting from police now knowing that if they don't report it, someone else will. It was estimated last year that 50% or more of deaths from police were never reported to the FBI. Through the Jan to Jul period of 2015, the numbers were somewhere around 600--a significant increase from previous years.

    Neither your nor my perspective on this issue is the entire story and I seriously doubt either of us will ever get all the information and academia take years to reach conclusions. I think there are some correlations we can look at. Supposedly the marked increase in all violent crime started increasing in 1963, about the time of the first major gun control law and just a few years before Nixon's declared War On Drugs and kept rising till sometime in the 90's, about the time the renewal of gun bans failed. Gun purchases have increased drastically starting about the same time, and violent crime started precipitously dropping. It may very well be that violent crime against everyday citizens has become too dangerous for criminals and the statistics are now picking up the criminal on criminal crimes resulting from the insanity of the War On Drugs. It should also be noted that the early to mid 60's was the beginnings of many major Housing Projects in cities that did what--it concentrated the welfare culture in one area, increasing the amount of crime. We'll have to continue to deal with that until we bust up those Projects and get people spread out and working.

    Who knows, but none of it justifies the horrendous police abuse I see reported on and viewed on Youtube and other sources everyday, nor the number of cops I see walk away with outrageous retirements after drawing abuse or murder allegations and almost none going to prison.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Might be individually, but the system they live and work in is not. Quotas for stops, for citations, for Privatized prisons with contracts requiring 85% to 90% occupancy. Just doing my job, and just obeying my orders you understand.
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  • Posted by 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, we're all suspects now. And they just know that if they dig hard enough, they can find something we did.
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  • Posted by superfluities 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    After reading your post I though that isn't me as law abiding citizen but in fact I have never had a cop help me at all in any way and in fact I was interrogated as I was THE criminal after reporting and armed robbery I witnessed. I learned a lesson to keep my mouth shut unless I have proper representation present-that's just how the system works.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, I find that police relax when you stop acting like a victim and try not to make them feel like the Gestapo. They're human too.
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