Only their hunting skills? What does that even mean? Part of 'hunting skills' is knowing how to track, knowing how to lure them out to get a shot (whether it's by clanking antlers together, or using a call, or a scent)...or knowing how to use a gun, a scope... "Hunting skills" covers a ton of things. Luring IS part of hunting, Rich, it's a 'hunting skill". When SHTF...I'm clinging to my skilled hunters. Just because this certain lion is the one who took the bait in Africa is why it's being made into a big deal.
As the goes, never wrestle with a pig... you both end up covered in manure, and the pig enjoys it. I made the unfortunate mistake of hopping in the pigpen with you.
Again, pulling out a strawman. You started this post with name calling. I'm pointing out that you are the name you called. And just because you didn't name call me you attacked by implying I have an inferior intellectual capacity...which is the same stance you take repeatedly when you get cornered. Good luck trying to make hunting a meat only activity..... and trying to kill the taxidermists businesses too.
I grew up in a family where we hunted for food. We supplemented our food with game of all kinds. Today due to permit costs it is no longer a cost savings to do so.
My father would always remind us that there were only two reasons to kill an animal. 1) for food and 2) because they are eating something you make living off. 3) they are a danger to you or others.
So adding in the other two reasons, yes this person is a jack ass. Killing for the sake of killing shows a character flaw and a love of making other things suffer. It is not rational.
Although I have seen a mountain lion that liked walk through the main street of a small town and growl at people, showing other aggressive behavior. When fish and game refused to do anything about it, the mountain lion seamed to go elsewhere on its own as it was no longer seen in town.
Wolves brought back into Yellowstone should be shot on site outside of Yellowstone by the ranchers there. Talk about a stupid creature to repopulate in a place where they would be and are a problem for people in the area. It is to protect their cattle.
To wrap this post up, I hate dentist anyway. They drill and cause pain and to have one be a jackass that just seals the deal, dentists suck!
I just think this type is stupid. Hunters that go into the woods using only their hunting skills are different in my mind. The guides here are definitely to blame unless this guy was aware that they were luring this animal out of the park. That is illegal and in another country you have to be extremely careful.
You clearly have no idea to whom you're speaking regarding hunting and my disposition towards it, nor am I going to enlighten you.
Killing purely for the kill is wrong, and that's the question at hand. I did not resort to calling you names, but you did.
If you can't understand, no amount of rational dialogue will accomplish it. It's like attempting to convince a liberal zealot that liberalism is a fundamentally flawed ideology.
I couldn't care less who pays what for a photo... taking a photo is NOT the discussion we're having. You think hunters just hunt for food. YOU'RE the mistaken one. It's an expensive sport and an expensive way to get meat...yes, they eat the meat, but it's part of the whole trophy experience. YOU don't understand hunting. Do you hunt? Answer that question...do.you.hunt? (Strawman on the moral relevance GW BL crap you just spewed up there too.) I think you just made my point actually. The real jackass just stood up.
You've been name calling ALL along...the title of this post! But when I do it my "lack of intellectual capacity is showing". Just like I just said, unless you're dependent on the food of the hunt then you think it's wrong. There isn't a deer hunter today who hunts JUST for the meat... it's not a cheap meat...cheaper to buy at the store...after licenses and tag fees and all the work and equipment that goes into it, the processing of the meat, its expensive and a lot of hard work. That's the reality of it...hunting is not a poor man's sport...they hunt for the thrill of it (and enjoy the meat), but IT IS A SPORT and it's competitive among hunters. Just because YOU don't understand it, or just want to take a 'superior' position does not make you right. It makes you the title of your own post and shows your lack of intellectual capacity. (And it's a survival skill as well that shouldn't be underrated.)
Then you're against ALL hunting. Unless you live in the bush and need to kill an animal to survive, right? Because all other hunting has a trophy killing aspect attached to it, you can't separate it, it's there. Therefore you really think that ALL hunters have a fundamental character flaw and lack of respect for life. I think we should leave it up to the locals what works best for them economically...but I can say with great certainty that no one is going to pay 50,000.00 for a photo with a live animal.
Hunting for food IS hunting for food. Killing an animal just so you can have a trophy to demonstrate you were able to kill it, is an entirely different activity.
And, way to descend into name calling... demonstrates in technicolor your lack of intellectual capacity.
I would not want to crush a business that provides jobs and ability for locals to live. Would I prefer that they develop another business model that doesn't result in trophy killing, yes.
The question, however, is the "jackass" label of the dentist. People of partake in this trophy killing are jackasses. They could just as easily go on safari and take a freaking picture. We paid an enormous amount to do just that. Animals are still alive, and the local business is booming.
I think sport/trophy killing demonstrates a fundamental character flaw and lack of respect for life.
He paid for a hunting experience, that includes guides...if something illegal was done it's the guides fault, unless he knew it. It remains to be seen. The way I see it, this is going to ruin the entire economic base for the locals who survive and work for the trophy hunt industry. If you think this hunting is stupid then you think all hunting is stupid...
The mob is definitely forming and I don't agree with them. I just read Zimbabwe wants this guy. I would not turn him over. I just think this type of hunting is stupid.
I do have an issue with a person killing an animal solely for the trophy, which is what he did (and has done on multiple occasions). I very much enjoy eating meat, including venison. I have no issue with personally killing what I (or my family/friends) eat, but this is a different matter altogether. It's immoral to kill an animal for the sole purpose of the thrill of the kill. We should all be able to recognize the difference in hunting for food versus what this jackass did.
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Get over it. You don't get to tell Africa they can't have big game trophy hunts. Economics!
http://www.luxuryhunts.com/index.html
You just became my trophy :)
When SHTF...I'm clinging to my skilled hunters.
Just because this certain lion is the one who took the bait in Africa is why it's being made into a big deal.
As the goes, never wrestle with a pig... you both end up covered in manure, and the pig enjoys it. I made the unfortunate mistake of hopping in the pigpen with you.
You started this post with name calling. I'm pointing out that you are the name you called.
And just because you didn't name call me you attacked by implying I have an inferior intellectual capacity...which is the same stance you take repeatedly when you get cornered.
Good luck trying to make hunting a meat only activity..... and trying to kill the taxidermists businesses too.
My father would always remind us that there were only two reasons to kill an animal. 1) for food and 2) because they are eating something you make living off. 3) they are a danger to you or others.
So adding in the other two reasons, yes this person is a jack ass. Killing for the sake of killing shows a character flaw and a love of making other things suffer. It is not rational.
Although I have seen a mountain lion that liked walk through the main street of a small town and growl at people, showing other aggressive behavior. When fish and game refused to do anything about it, the mountain lion seamed to go elsewhere on its own as it was no longer seen in town.
Wolves brought back into Yellowstone should be shot on site outside of Yellowstone by the ranchers there. Talk about a stupid creature to repopulate in a place where they would be and are a problem for people in the area. It is to protect their cattle.
To wrap this post up, I hate dentist anyway. They drill and cause pain and to have one be a jackass that just seals the deal, dentists suck!
Killing purely for the kill is wrong, and that's the question at hand. I did not resort to calling you names, but you did.
If you can't understand, no amount of rational dialogue will accomplish it. It's like attempting to convince a liberal zealot that liberalism is a fundamentally flawed ideology.
You think hunters just hunt for food. YOU'RE the mistaken one. It's an expensive sport and an expensive way to get meat...yes, they eat the meat, but it's part of the whole trophy experience. YOU don't understand hunting. Do you hunt? Answer that question...do.you.hunt?
(Strawman on the moral relevance GW BL crap you just spewed up there too.) I think you just made my point actually. The real jackass just stood up.
Second, you seem incapable of distinguishing between hunting for food versus hunting to trophy/fun.
It's akin to those who draw moral relevance between George Washington and Bin Laden, calling them both freedom fighters.
Just like I just said, unless you're dependent on the food of the hunt then you think it's wrong.
There isn't a deer hunter today who hunts JUST for the meat... it's not a cheap meat...cheaper to buy at the store...after licenses and tag fees and all the work and equipment that goes into it, the processing of the meat, its expensive and a lot of hard work. That's the reality of it...hunting is not a poor man's sport...they hunt for the thrill of it (and enjoy the meat), but IT IS A SPORT and it's competitive among hunters. Just because YOU don't understand it, or just want to take a 'superior' position does not make you right. It makes you the title of your own post and shows your lack of intellectual capacity. (And it's a survival skill as well that shouldn't be underrated.)
+1
I think we should leave it up to the locals what works best for them economically...but I can say with great certainty that no one is going to pay 50,000.00 for a photo with a live animal.
And, way to descend into name calling... demonstrates in technicolor your lack of intellectual capacity.
The question, however, is the "jackass" label of the dentist. People of partake in this trophy killing are jackasses. They could just as easily go on safari and take a freaking picture. We paid an enormous amount to do just that. Animals are still alive, and the local business is booming.
I think sport/trophy killing demonstrates a fundamental character flaw and lack of respect for life.
The way I see it, this is going to ruin the entire economic base for the locals who survive and work for the trophy hunt industry.
If you think this hunting is stupid then you think all hunting is stupid...
I very much enjoy eating meat, including venison. I have no issue with personally killing what I (or my family/friends) eat, but this is a different matter altogether.
It's immoral to kill an animal for the sole purpose of the thrill of the kill.
We should all be able to recognize the difference in hunting for food versus what this jackass did.
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