It all goes together. You can't parse it out. It is thrilling (like any other goal being met and accomplished), there is always a trophy (even if it's only photos that you show everybody because you're proud of a job well done) and the meat gets eaten by someone, not always the hunter. You're just hung up on someone wanting an animal trophy just because YOU can't relate to it.
He's not pounding his chest. He's been duped and is now fighting a firestorm from people WHO DO NOT UNDERSTAND HUNTING. These big hunts always use bait animals (it's listed in the ad I posted, see the link..it's legal hunting...just like deer hunters have bait piles of apples and salt licks.) Again, the problem is we've got mob people who don't hunt, hate hunting, hate guns, think animals are the same as humans, making a target out of someone and making demands and wanting the mob government to make changes to things that the government knows nothing about either. Not that that ever stops them. I hear the fish and game department is now going to work with africa to get to the bottom of it (intrusive as hell) but I hope the truth comes out and people listen to ALL the facts. There are some lies being told, I think, to fuel the fire. If this had been ANY other lion besides this popular Cecil you'd have never heard about it.
I did NOT imply he did it for altruistic reasons. He wanted a trophy hunting experience, he wanted a trophy, a show piece to put on display, to say he did it, to add to his collection. The by product of that is that he shelled out 50,000.00 bucks to do it and probably donated the meat. His guides apparently lead him astray. If that's the case he should get a refund..he's paying for guides. All of these animal rights activists who are going ballistic over this calling him a murderer and wanting HIM shot and skinned, are completely missing the benefits the locals get out of these hunts... but they never see the BIG picture they just go down the path where their emotions lead them. Lions are gorgeous so they shouldn't be hunted, kind of thinking. Now they want to ruin his business. Vicious mob mentality. Hunting is a sport, whether it's a trophy hunting, or deer or anything else... get over it AG. (Think about it...if the mob gets their way, this villages will have NO income. Nobody wants to SEE THE TRUTH of what they demand out of emotional over reaction.)
Despite the media hate against the chap who did not know the lion was famous, tourists such as him are not the real reason Zimbabwe’s precious wildlife is being decimated. It is the ruinous land-management policies practiced by the Mugabe regime over the past 15 years.
Zimbabwe was once celebrated as the “breadbasket of Africa,” fertile earth supplied the world with abundant tobacco, corn and wheat. Today, 76% of its rural population lives in abject poverty, dependent on foreign food aid.
In year 2000, Mugabe enacted a disastrous land-reform policy. Thousands of white landowners were violently evicted from their farms. Farms were divided up and nationalized. Many were given to generals and ministers. The destruction of property rights led to a disintegrating economy and widespread poverty.
Totally agree with you regarding threats to the hunters. I have friends who do this as well, but I fundamentally disagree with the trophy kill mentality.
I am growing tired of these types of stories going viral. I don't hunt, although I did take a hunter safety course a few years back (and enjoyed it). But, this stuff has been happening since the beginning of time. I don't admire hunters who do this kind of hunt. And, I don't personally agree with killing for sport. But...death threats for the hunter? Such stories going viral in social media? I just think this crap is a big distraction for the addled masses. Most Americans think the fish they eat comes from the grocery store. Good grief...
I think about how many guys I know...many of them good guys, decorated war veterans, etc. who enjoy going to Africa for a guided hunt. All of these guys have many pictures of them standing with beautiful animals they just shot. Are all of these guys subject to blackmail/death threats? I'm just not understanding this recent trend.
" I think this concept can be developed as an economic proposition. There seems to be a lot of old white males around. Many are above the average age of human death. Old white males may be tough to eat, for humans, but there would be a market of game keepers who need to feed lionesses. Already we are seeing our major centers of learning who in dehumanizing this community are paving the way for euthanasia.
What use are they? Old white females can help in child rearing but males do little useful, their reasoning abilities have gone They often spout old harmful theories such as economic freedom and property rights, and are lacking in promotion of diversity, communities and sacrifice. Potential hunters from certain areas could pay a great deal, and it is time for flesh as well as wealth to be recycled. Many nations, not just those of a peace loving religion, could develop this sport and other nations can export their old white males to them for hunting. A sort of redress for the slave trade and a tribute to cultural traditions. Surely many readers will approve, it is only a smiggin away from their posted opinions. "
See also- The society for global progress, fairness and sustainability, s21.
If you really think this jackass dentist was doing this for altruistic reasons, I think you're mistaken. Having had several friends over the years that go on these big game hunts, I can assure you that the meat is a tertiary benefit at best. Again, I have no issue whatsoever with eating the animal. My issue is with jackasses setting out with specific purpose of sport killing simply for the excitement of killing an animal.
It's not big game hunting. They basically just euthanized the lion. They lured him with bait. In PA you can't have food out in an area where you deer hunt for at least 30 days prior to hunting. I get the benefits but this guy shouldn't pound his chest.
Satan's Crispy Balls, you think it's OK when cops kill for fun or adrenaline rushes!!
And you think its immoral to kill animals for fun. One old mangy, tick infested lion with no reasoning ability. There is no morality between animals and humans
How do you envision deer hunters on opening day? Sitting in their tree stands shedding tears for the deer they're hoping to get a shot at? Reluctant to be there? No. They are EXCITED, hoping a deer walks right in front of them so they can kill it. That's the goal. They wait all year for it. It takes talent and knowledge and dedication, just like any other sport.
Animals in the wild don't die from old age anyway..something else kills them...either another animal or a human. Do you think deer hunters hunt solely for the purpose of putting meat on their table? That no hunters donate the meat to charity? That they don't consider it a sport? That they don't have head mounts or rack trophies hung on their walls? That they don't find it exciting to bag a deer? That there is no adrenaline flowing when their efforts and practicing and preparations finally pay off? That there is not a sporting aspect to it at all? You don't understand hunting then. And it's an expensive sport that keeps many people employed. From the licenses you have to purchase, the gear, guns, ammo, scents, bone saw, knives, bags, rope, tents, camping equipment...to the meat processing (not a cheap way to put meat on your table either), to the taxidermy if you can afford it (many hundreds). It's a sport! And many humans benefit. What ISN'T sporting is herding cows and anal electricuting them so you can have steak. Do I need to explain the reason and the need for hunting seasons too?
No one is suggesting the lion die of old age versus being eaten by the villagers. I couldn't care less if they'd killed it themselves. The fundamental problem is killing an animal purely for fun, which is what the dentist did.
Omg... the lion was OLD... why shouldn't the poor village people benefit from a trophy hunt...50,000.00 dollars and lots of meat. A lot of times their whole economy is dependent on big game hunting. Am I the only one who understands how this works? Everyone benefits... Letting a trophy lion die of old age is a WASTE.
Okay...how about you go and tell the hungry villagers that you think they shouldn't participate in the big game hunt industry because it's fundamentally wrong for rich people to kill for sport. Do it...I dare ya. And you might want to be prepared to be called a JackAss.
Who cares who eats it so long as it got eaten and didn't go to waste. Why not make some money off of it in the process for the neighboring people to benefit from. The hunter gets his trophy, his bragging rights and the locals are happy and full. This is how they survive..selling hunts, scouting with the hunter, cleaning and dressing the animal...it's their livelihood.
The life expectancy of a lion is about 10-14 years.... I guess they should've just let him die of old age, let the meat rot in the bush and the villagers are that much more hungry and no better off in life. Talk about a waste. Wow.
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Again, the problem is we've got mob people who don't hunt, hate hunting, hate guns, think animals are the same as humans, making a target out of someone and making demands and wanting the mob government to make changes to things that the government knows nothing about either. Not that that ever stops them.
I hear the fish and game department is now going to work with africa to get to the bottom of it (intrusive as hell) but I hope the truth comes out and people listen to ALL the facts. There are some lies being told, I think, to fuel the fire.
If this had been ANY other lion besides this popular Cecil you'd have never heard about it.
All of these animal rights activists who are going ballistic over this calling him a murderer and wanting HIM shot and skinned, are completely missing the benefits the locals get out of these hunts... but they never see the BIG picture they just go down the path where their emotions lead them. Lions are gorgeous so they shouldn't be hunted, kind of thinking. Now they want to ruin his business. Vicious mob mentality.
Hunting is a sport, whether it's a trophy hunting, or deer or anything else... get over it AG.
(Think about it...if the mob gets their way, this villages will have NO income. Nobody wants to SEE THE TRUTH of what they demand out of emotional over reaction.)
http://time.com/3976344/cecil-lion-zi...
Despite the media hate against the chap who did not know the lion was famous, tourists such as him are not the real reason Zimbabwe’s precious wildlife is being decimated. It is the ruinous land-management policies practiced by the Mugabe regime over the past 15 years.
Zimbabwe was once celebrated as the “breadbasket of Africa,” fertile earth supplied the world with abundant tobacco, corn and wheat. Today, 76% of its rural population lives in abject poverty, dependent on foreign food aid.
In year 2000, Mugabe enacted a disastrous land-reform policy.
Thousands of white landowners were violently evicted from their farms.
Farms were divided up and nationalized. Many were given to generals and ministers.
The destruction of property rights led to a disintegrating economy and widespread poverty.
I think about how many guys I know...many of them good guys, decorated war veterans, etc. who enjoy going to Africa for a guided hunt. All of these guys have many pictures of them standing with beautiful animals they just shot. Are all of these guys subject to blackmail/death threats? I'm just not understanding this recent trend.
done venting...
There seems to be a lot of old white males around. Many are above the average age of human death.
Old white males may be tough to eat, for humans, but there would be a market of game keepers who need to feed lionesses. Already we are seeing our major centers of learning who in dehumanizing this community are paving the way for euthanasia.
What use are they? Old white females can help in child rearing but males do little useful, their reasoning abilities have gone They often spout old harmful theories such as economic freedom and property rights, and are lacking in promotion of diversity, communities and sacrifice. Potential hunters from certain areas could pay a great deal, and it is time for flesh as well as wealth to be recycled.
Many nations, not just those of a peace loving religion, could develop this sport and other nations can export their old white males to them for hunting. A sort of redress for the slave trade and a tribute to cultural traditions. Surely many readers will approve, it is only a smiggin away from their posted opinions. "
See also- The society for global progress, fairness and sustainability, s21.
Again, I have no issue whatsoever with eating the animal. My issue is with jackasses setting out with specific purpose of sport killing simply for the excitement of killing an animal.
And you think its immoral to kill animals for fun. One old mangy, tick infested lion with no reasoning ability. There is no morality between animals and humans
Do you think deer hunters hunt solely for the purpose of putting meat on their table? That no hunters donate the meat to charity? That they don't consider it a sport? That they don't have head mounts or rack trophies hung on their walls? That they don't find it exciting to bag a deer? That there is no adrenaline flowing when their efforts and practicing and preparations finally pay off? That there is not a sporting aspect to it at all? You don't understand hunting then. And it's an expensive sport that keeps many people employed. From the licenses you have to purchase, the gear, guns, ammo, scents, bone saw, knives, bags, rope, tents, camping equipment...to the meat processing (not a cheap way to put meat on your table either), to the taxidermy if you can afford it (many hundreds). It's a sport! And many humans benefit.
What ISN'T sporting is herding cows and anal electricuting them so you can have steak.
Do I need to explain the reason and the need for hunting seasons too?
It's morally depraved to kill for fun.
Am I the only one who understands how this works? Everyone benefits... Letting a trophy lion die of old age is a WASTE.
My issue is sport killing. Killing for fun is fundamentally wrong.
The life expectancy of a lion is about 10-14 years.... I guess they should've just let him die of old age, let the meat rot in the bush and the villagers are that much more hungry and no better off in life. Talk about a waste. Wow.
I still hate dentists.
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