LetsShrug, it's not wussy to have respect for life and not want to terminate it for pleasure.
Hunting is good and necessary when it's for food or protection. Killing for fun/trophy is where some of us disagree. Free societies must have morality... the ability to recognize that simply having the ability to do something doesn't mean we should.
Is it any wonder I missed the sarcasm with all weak wussy talk I've been dealing with in here lately? Like dagny.. I feel like I'm the man around here. AAAAAH!
Eating is necessary, trophy hunting is not. If locals want to eat, eat a lion. That does not deminish the moral vacancy of killing an animal simply for sport. I'm not sure what part of morality is so hard for you to understand.
There was some dripping sarcasm there about the need to obey stupid laws. A law that protects a Mountain Lion (or more likely around Yellowstone a wolf) over a ranchers herd of cattle is a ridiculous law, and such laws exist. However I would still not put on paper, here or anywhere else any intent to do anything other than comply with these stupid laws. I mean they are the law. If that Mountain Lion were to vanish and never be seen again it would officially be that nature just solved the issue on its own, and that tree I planted in the wooded area of my pasture would have nothing to do with it.
So if the laws were such that it was illegal to kill any predatory animals that eat your calves you'd obey it and lose your livelihood? Ya know what...with the angry mob taking over it doesn't matter. They'll target you and ruin your life anyway because that's what this wussified society has become. Real men are dying off and were left with a bunch of over sensitive bags of emotion. We are doomed.
Nope, people who do not think its a Jackass think to do should go do it. I don't because I do not believe in hunting just for the sport of killing.
I obviously failed to get that point across. I do not hold others to my values, they are mine. I hold only me to them. A person who does not see this as a jackass thing to do should go do it.
Using myself for an example. My hunting went like this (mostly deer hunting)
1. Hunted Deer with a 30-30 riffle, and a WSM 7mm. Both very easy to do so some spotting several weeks before the hunt and get your deer without fail. Really not sporting or challenging from my viewpoint
2. I moved to flint riffles which was more fun as it was more challenging and very particle to learn to hunt with because of the availability of stuff to make into balls. I then also moved to bows. I suck with bows, but found it fun anyway. If I am going to work with bows much I need to learn to use them because I do not do well with a bow.
I then quit because it was to dam expensive to get permits to make it worth the money it took to go hunting.
I still go up into the wilderness spotting animals and find that very enjoyable. I now think "what did I ever kill them for" because packing the meat out and cleaning the animal out were a pain in the butt and not fun at all.
Take an old tire, put a piece of ply wood in the center and paint a target it on it. Role it down a hill side and that is your moving target for training. Bounces pretty much just like a deer. Works great and is a lot of fun to take the kids or friends out shooting this way.
I think hunting skills are the ability to track, spot, target and hit an animal. It can also be baiting an animal out, or building a blind so the animal will walk by you, or simply knowing the right place to be at the right time of day. All of this is hunting skills. Some require much less skill (like baiting an animal) than others. Hypothetically, If I need to kill a Mountain lion because its killing my calves I have no problem using bait, or killing it. Its my calves or it that will die, and baiting the mountain Lion out would be the quickest and most efficient possible way to deal with the problem. In reality I would have to comply with laws that govern the killing of that mountain lion, I mean I would never ignore any laws to protect my investment.
I tend to agree with what AmericanGreatness is saying, but I do not think any African government should stop big game trophy hunts.
If people want to do it, they should be able to do so. I do think its a jackass kind of thing to want to do. I have hunted many times, but when the permits reached a point (and we do need permits and hunting seasons) where it was no longer cost effective to do it for the food, I quit hunting. A brother in-law of mine runs a hunting business for a living, and makes his living from people like this that want trophy bears and mountain lions mounted and stuffed. He does not care about the meat, nor does he think of it in the same way I do. I think in this way he is a jackass but he has every right to be so, and make his living in doing it.
I won't do it as I disagree with killing for sport. I also think that people have the right to do it, even though I disagree with it. Such behavior is not viewed as bad (jackass) by many people and I respect the rights of others to live their lives as well.
I also see the hunting as a necessity to control population levels, particularly of predators, so that the prey does not extend to people and stays with the animals they normally hunt.
Sorry Mamaemma, you are great because you are not the dentist that drills on my teeth!
Really do dislike dentists and it is not rational. It comes from getting in a fight at 15 where I got hit with a bat in the face, stripped that bat and broke several bones in the other person (19 year old guy). Well my father thought that if I were going to get into fights like that I should deal with the consequences. I had two root canals with no pain killer what so ever and have not cared to see a dentists ever since,
However it did make me think twice about letting my temper get the best of me and laying into someone like that again, or letting a situation escalate to that point before reacting. So it did teach a valuable lesson.
This may make everyone feel better: Earlier this week there was a suicide bombing in Nigeria. 16 fatalities, 50 people were injured. No lions were harmed.
http://time.com/3972686/boko-haram-ni... http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegra... ---------------- A few comments: ....detailed story about this on ABC news tonight. We had pictures of the dentist inside his surgery, at his desk, the outside of his clinic, some images of lions, dead moose etc. I was thinking of the beheaded and enslaved that get limited coverage. By the way, did the ABC even report the Planned Parenthood selling baby body parts story? ... that someone who was paid to keep him safe took a bribe, knowing what the outcome would be, is reprehensible.
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Hunting is good and necessary when it's for food or protection. Killing for fun/trophy is where some of us disagree. Free societies must have morality... the ability to recognize that simply having the ability to do something doesn't mean we should.
What I wouldn't do is travel across the country, find a vacant field with mice in it, and they kill them just for the sake of killing them.
Any more irrelevant questions?
There was some dripping sarcasm there about the need to obey stupid laws. A law that protects a Mountain Lion (or more likely around Yellowstone a wolf) over a ranchers herd of cattle is a ridiculous law, and such laws exist. However I would still not put on paper, here or anywhere else any intent to do anything other than comply with these stupid laws. I mean they are the law. If that Mountain Lion were to vanish and never be seen again it would officially be that nature just solved the issue on its own, and that tree I planted in the wooded area of my pasture would have nothing to do with it.
I obviously failed to get that point across. I do not hold others to my values, they are mine. I hold only me to them. A person who does not see this as a jackass thing to do should go do it.
Make more sense now?
1. Hunted Deer with a 30-30 riffle, and a WSM 7mm. Both very easy to do so some spotting several weeks before the hunt and get your deer without fail. Really not sporting or challenging from my viewpoint
2. I moved to flint riffles which was more fun as it was more challenging and very particle to learn to hunt with because of the availability of stuff to make into balls. I then also moved to bows. I suck with bows, but found it fun anyway. If I am going to work with bows much I need to learn to use them because I do not do well with a bow.
I then quit because it was to dam expensive to get permits to make it worth the money it took to go hunting.
I still go up into the wilderness spotting animals and find that very enjoyable. I now think "what did I ever kill them for" because packing the meat out and cleaning the animal out were a pain in the butt and not fun at all.
Take an old tire, put a piece of ply wood in the center and paint a target it on it. Role it down a hill side and that is your moving target for training. Bounces pretty much just like a deer. Works great and is a lot of fun to take the kids or friends out shooting this way.
I think hunting skills are the ability to track, spot, target and hit an animal. It can also be baiting an animal out, or building a blind so the animal will walk by you, or simply knowing the right place to be at the right time of day. All of this is hunting skills. Some require much less skill (like baiting an animal) than others. Hypothetically, If I need to kill a Mountain lion because its killing my calves I have no problem using bait, or killing it. Its my calves or it that will die, and baiting the mountain Lion out would be the quickest and most efficient possible way to deal with the problem. In reality I would have to comply with laws that govern the killing of that mountain lion, I mean I would never ignore any laws to protect my investment.
If people want to do it, they should be able to do so. I do think its a jackass kind of thing to want to do. I have hunted many times, but when the permits reached a point (and we do need permits and hunting seasons) where it was no longer cost effective to do it for the food, I quit hunting. A brother in-law of mine runs a hunting business for a living, and makes his living from people like this that want trophy bears and mountain lions mounted and stuffed. He does not care about the meat, nor does he think of it in the same way I do. I think in this way he is a jackass but he has every right to be so, and make his living in doing it.
I won't do it as I disagree with killing for sport. I also think that people have the right to do it, even though I disagree with it. Such behavior is not viewed as bad (jackass) by many people and I respect the rights of others to live their lives as well.
I also see the hunting as a necessity to control population levels, particularly of predators, so that the prey does not extend to people and stays with the animals they normally hunt.
Really do dislike dentists and it is not rational. It comes from getting in a fight at 15 where I got hit with a bat in the face, stripped that bat and broke several bones in the other person (19 year old guy). Well my father thought that if I were going to get into fights like that I should deal with the consequences. I had two root canals with no pain killer what so ever and have not cared to see a dentists ever since,
However it did make me think twice about letting my temper get the best of me and laying into someone like that again, or letting a situation escalate to that point before reacting. So it did teach a valuable lesson.
Earlier this week there was a suicide bombing in Nigeria.
16 fatalities, 50 people were injured. No lions were harmed.
http://time.com/3972686/boko-haram-ni...
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegra...
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A few comments:
....detailed story about this on ABC news tonight. We had pictures of the dentist inside his surgery, at his desk, the outside of his clinic, some images of lions, dead moose etc. I was thinking of the beheaded and enslaved that get limited coverage. By the way, did the ABC even report the Planned Parenthood selling baby body parts story?
... that someone who was paid to keep him safe took a bribe, knowing what the outcome would be, is reprehensible.
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