Keystone opponents vow civil disobedience, vigils starting Monday

Posted by mminnick 12 years ago to News
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It is their right to use civil disobedience. It is the right of the builders and property owners to keep trespassers out.
All sides should be very careful on what they do, when they do it and most especially where they do it.
SOURCE URL: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/02/01/keystone-opponents-vow-civil-disobedience-vigils-starting-monday/


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  • Posted by $ WillH 12 years ago
    Most of this is the usual stupid resistance to true and factual progress in favor of a bunch of emotionalism and speculation with one exception.

    “Kleeb said 115 landowners in Nebraska still refuse to sign agreements with pipeline developer TransCanada and would engage in nonviolent civil disobedience if the company tries to lay pipe through their land.”

    If I own land then I own it. If I refuse to sell and/or allow a pipeline to traverse it then that is the final word on the matter. Yes, it may be a stupid decision on my part because I could have charged an annual use fee instead of selling, but it is MY decision to make.
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    • Posted by $ stargeezer 12 years ago
      Actually, they don't buy most of the land they cross, they purchase a easement that's listed on your deed. It allows them to cross your land for access to install, inspect and maintain. They are forced to return the surface of your property to the condition it was before they crossed your land.

      If you choose to protest and not accept the offer, thanks to the liberal side of SCOTUS the court can force your hand "for the public good". While I disagree with this on most levels, a easement is not the same thing as taking you property from you.

      In full disclosure, I just went through some of this when a pipe line was installed across a part of my land. This ground is land I bought years ago so that I'd always have a place to shoot and hunt. The two 36" underground pipelines set twenty feet apart required the clearing of my land 100' wide down the full length of my property. Since the land is not used for agriculture, I wasn't paid that much, but what I did get was a 100 foot wide cleared area that they mounded a twenty foot backstop on the rear of my ground and a smooth, hard packed gravel road all the way down. I ended up with a 1500yd range. Not everybody would have wanted this, but for my needs, it is a perfect improvement to my ground. One of my neighbors asked for trees to be replanted and they did that for him. Immature trees, of course, but they were very accommodating. They also put in a new culvert and access road that would have cost me tens of thousands to do.

      All in all, it was well done.
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      • Posted by scojohnson 12 years ago
        Almost all property has easements.... do you have electricity? Yes, you have an easement. Cable? water & sewer? I have a 48 inch sewer pipe running through the backyard, the only time I really even think about it is when I decide to drain the pool & change the water, there is a manhole cover kind of in the middle of nowhere in the back of my 1 acre backyard. I run the hose out there from the submersible pump & presto... instant place to get rid of 35,000 gallons of water without flooding out the neighborhood...
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  • Posted by spark- 12 years ago
    I'm working in an oilsands project which alone is slated to start producing 110,000 barrels per day by 2015. Devon, Meg Energy, CNRL, Conoco Phillips, Statoil, and others all have smaller projects using SAGD technology which is very efficient and economical to extract bitumen, and more environmentally friendly than strip mining. The amount of oil shipping from here is really in its infancy.

    The talk here is if the XL pipeline doesn’t go through, a large amount of the oil will be shipped west to Japan/China. If it doesn’t ship south, it WILL ship elsewhere.

    I’m also invested in a smaller private company which will produce 30,000 barrels per day with enough reserves to carry through 2038. Because of uncertainties with pipeline capacities and up-front infrastructure costs, their current business plan is to ship all of the oil by rail at an anticipated cost of $30 per barrel. Approval of XL would likely change that plan and provide cheaper oil to the market.
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  • Posted by peterchunt 12 years ago
    These wacko extreme environmentalist have no idea that without energy, we would be living back in the cave age. They probably love their cars, their big houses, the many things produced from oil, but have no idea what powers a modern world. Their politics of hate for hydrocarbon goes far beyond reason and science. They are truly the antichrist!
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    • Posted by scojohnson 12 years ago
      I know... they don't like tar sands because it is "thick dirty oil"... ok... what do you think diesel is made out of for their tractors & F250 pickups? Or ocean going cargo vessels that haul the crap from China to sell to them in Walmart, or heating oil in the northeast... that's kind of what that sludge is used for. Then in the same stroke they are all complaining about the high cost of fuel oil with the cold winter in the northeast. Whatever. Suck it up, you can't have it both ways.
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  • Posted by Danno 12 years ago
    Environmentalism has turned into a religion (i.e. faith manipulation program). This is also more broadly the danger of Politics. Economics has already crossed the threshold.
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    • Posted by scojohnson 12 years ago
      I think it is actually a combination of NIMBYs and environmentalists... I don't think anyone in Nebraska gave a hoot about whatever beetle it was that will be impacted, but suddenly its the poster-child for the anti-industrial movement.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 12 years ago
    ""I think you'll see some landowners driving really slow on their county roads to block the (pipeline) trucks.""

    They'll drive REALLY slow if the oil and gas companies retaliate by refusing to sell any fuel to the gas stations of the area.

    Nobody has the *right* to civil disobedience. They have the right to peaceably assemble, but they don't have the right to trespass or harm another's equipment or workplace.
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    • Posted by scojohnson 12 years ago
      It's just the height of NIMBYism.. there are well-north of 4,000 crude oil pipelines in the country, and10's of thousands of natural gas pipelines. They sure seem to like to drive their cars slow on those country roads... and they even had government subsidies to sell their corn for ridiculous prices to ethanol plants for a few years (that ended and that's probably part of why the same people are whining). If they don't want off-shore drilling, the same tree-huggers don't want windmills off the shore of Nantucket to disrupt their ocean views either... So what exactly are they willing to contribute to society? We have the same problem here in California... whine & complain about hydro dams, but its fine if we buy power from Canada (which produces it with hydro dams and we lose a huge amount in transmission and we pay 3 or 4 times higher than we need to)... $500 power bills are pretty much the standard in California, I know a lot of people with monthly bills in the thousands...
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  • Posted by SolitudeIsBliss 12 years ago
    It's easy to hold a vigil when you don't have a job. Amazing that these imbeciles would prohibit someone from earning a living.
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    • Posted by scojohnson 12 years ago
      You should see the protest at the California state capital every time there is going to be a 50 cent cut to some student program. "Somehow" 5,000 teachers show up bringing their entire classrooms with them, and every special-needs kid they can find is pushed out in a wheel chair like a mascot. There is an easy fix for that... if they are not in the classroom teaching, and they are not on leave with a substitute in place, they are fired.
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  • Posted by plusaf 12 years ago
    Then I hear complaints from Keystone opponents who, for some strange reason, believe that the pipeline will actually be pumping SAND along with the oil, down to US refineries.

    Do any of them have ANY idea how stupid that idea would be? So they protest it?

    No, they DO have "the right" to protest with "civil disobedience"!

    They also have "the right" to be arrested for breaking any and all laws they violate in the process, too!
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    • Posted by 12 years ago
      The protesters have every right to display their ignorance about the pipeline. If they want to show the entire world just how ignorant they are, they should be encouraged to do so.
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  • Posted by redoty09 12 years ago
    I am really sick and tired of these left wing nut job, tree hugging morons. No doubt the democrats are doing all they can to disrupt the oil industry in North Dakota, so they promote their worthless and inefficient solar power garbage!
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  • Posted by Temlakos 12 years ago
    Ayn Rand thought about government looting and gangsterism.

    She didn't spend too terribly much time thinking about Luddism.

    Which is what we see here.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 12 years ago
    I have not followed this at all. If they can negotiate an easement with all property owners the pipeline will pass over, I don't see any reason not do it. I'm not knowledgeable about the risks of a spill, but I know almost any energy production and transport has risks.

    Climate change from burning stuff on a large scale will be very costly in the future, but it's not like if they don't build this pipeline, we won't burn fuel. That's a separate and important issue.

    I'm glad both sides are pushing hard, sifting and winnowing as it were.
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  • Posted by TexanSolar 12 years ago
    Wow, the looters have taught the moochers to do the dirty work them.
    There is no logical reason not to build the pipeline.
    Where is John Galt when you need him?
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    • Posted by scojohnson 12 years ago
      I know.. its hilarious... no perceivable impact, and they would rather buy oil from people in the middle east & Venezuela & Mexico that don't like us very much, compared to easily-accessible cheap oil from one of our closest allies and a very stable friend... (Canada).
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