She was not a "prophet" or a "right wing" anything. She was good at identifying the elements of philosophical 'equations' which can have predictable results.

Not easy. Although "socialist," look at Chile. I love the place. The unfortunate part is --- after being the shining light of the world, the country is moving back to collectivism. Nonetheless, check it out. And, look at http://www.sovereignman.com/

and the same house in east tennessee = $200k -- j
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There is a high threshold cost to moving out of California for me - both personal and professional. In addition to the personal consequences, moving means selling the office and moving at least some of the people in the company to another state. (There are several, including some key people, who are willing to move...but not all of them, and not all of the key people.)

What do I get out of this? Is there a state that is That Much Better than California that it is worth my while to move? Is there any state that can protect me and my employees from the ACA? Is there any state that can keep CPS from grabbing the children of my employees?

I keep looking at Texas, which is large, has a lot of physical resources, is not cold, and has a seacoast (all required criteria to me). West Texas (just W of Austin) is the best place I have found so far...but there are still not Enough advantages for me to go over the threshold and actually move.

Instead, what I am seeing is the "Californiazation" of the rest of the US. Increasingly, the other states are following the path that California has taken. So why move?

Jan

by leaving, you shrug. . any producer who leaves is
shrugging-off CA. -- j
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I used to live in california and DID vote with my feet. Now I am thinking about leaving Nevada. The number of decent places to go now has shrunk where you can make a living AND be free. Not to mention a good place to be as the socialism in this country takes it down into chaos. Las Vegas is way too dependent on the economy booming and government giving goodies to the entitled people who live here.

Here are my thoughts on California.

IS ATLAS SHRUGGING IN CALIFORNIA?

In Ayn Rand’s allegorical novel “Atlas Shrugged” the most productive members of society are vanishing. Their disappearance leaves a vacuum that is rapidly filled by people that have never operated a successful business, met a payroll, or even had a genuinely original idea. The result is the collapse of the economy and the beginnings of a depression that makes the 1930’s look like a tea party.

And now fiction is becoming reality. While there is no clearly identifiable “John Galt” and many of the people that are leaving the state are simply moving to more business friendly locations the impact on California is much the same as that described in Rand’s novel. Businesses are failing at an alarming rate, tax revenues are plummeting, and the burden placed on the state coffers by exploding welfare rolls is crippling. And California is not alone; this same scenario is being repeated all over the country.

In Atlas Shrugged, John Galt said he would “Stop the motor of the world.” Well, in the real world everywhere you look the motor is stopping.
California once led the nation in population growth at one point going over 6 percent per year. Now it has dropped to slightly over one percent. And what is worse is the drop in per capita income. Once a leader in the nation now the state is in the second to the lowest quintile in terms of income growth. This means that most of the growth is in lower income groups which mean little or no new business. This pattern is being repeated up and down the east coast. Not surprisingly the most rapid growth is in states with low or nonexistent tax structures, with Nevada being a prominent example.

For the most part the country is self destructing because of an orgy of self indulgence brought about by colossally incompetent social policies. The current administration is a classic example of machine politics Chicago style. The recent attempt at extortion or blackmail of Senator Kyle from Nevada is a classic example of this practice. Administration officials including four cabinet officers, almost certainly with the knowledge of President Obama, threatened the governor of Arizona with a cut off of stimulus funds if Kyle didn’t stop his criticism of the stimulus process.

The United States in now a debtor nation and is at the financial mercy of countries like China and other Asian nations as well as some very unfriendly folks in the Middle East. And now, even Communist China is viewing the leftward lunge of the United States with considerable alarm. They have a very large investment in American companies and American dollars and they are worried that this investment is in jeopardy. Considering the profligacy of the current and previous administrations this concern is clearly justified.



So, was Ayn Rand a prophet or just an annoying radical right wing kook. Watch the news or read it in those few papers that still exist and decide for your self.

California is swirling out of control. The state is steadfastly liberal and is just beginning to reap what they have sowed. I loved San Diego, but I'm glad I moved out of there 20 years ago. The most beautiful and arguably the place with the greatest potential to be the most productive in the country is turning into the east side of Detroit. The only thing you can do is either get out of watch it crumble around your ears.

You have no idea.

must be the tax issues in california have gotten a lot worse.

Time to leave the Socialist State of California. I am.

We left several years ago, after living in California for decades [both Sou. Cal and Bay Area]. A friend of mine asked me how long it would take to stop being "a Californian", mentally -- it took a few weeks. Yay Texas!

Why not vote with your feet and leave?

The sad thing is... "AP Classes" in California are still some of the worst in the nation... if the baseline is like #47 out of 50, duking it out with Mississippi and Alabama, being in an AP class is really only approximating to the slow-learners in Massachusetts or Minnesota.

Give the kids an SAT or ACT test and the truth comes out very quickly....

Except if you look at the prices of houses on the California versus Nevada side of the dividing line in South Lake Tahoe...

California = ~ $600,000

Nevada (maybe 100 yards away) = Same house, ~ $1.6 million.

Sad, but very true.

Take your economy off the grid... see the Internet.

Thanks for those quotes.
I'm a Benjamin Franklin fan.
And I can see that at least the socialists know what they are doing these days--albeit evil.

I came to Nevada in 1995 because at the time it was much less controllingthan California. Now, that difference has become a LOT smaller.

CALIFORNIA IS DONE FOR. I still hve some real estate there, but I am going to get rid of it and be done with california forever.

I left 12 years ago after almost 30 years in both southern and northern California, and saw stupendous (and stupid) changes all that time, all for the worse. Came to Oregon, which is about 5 or 10 years behind California in its self-destruction. Now looking at Idaho panhandle or Colorado's west slope, but the money thing is a huge impairment. At least I'll have a front seat for the coming apocalypse (also know as WTSHTF).

We currently live in California --- We are moving as the state is completely out of control. What people can and will do is vote with their feet.

Hopefully the recent 4.0 tremor is just a precursor to the 9.0 that will break off the entire state into the Pacific.

jbrenner has given you the best advise. do not think about it any longer just do it.

+1. That's exactly what I was going to say. Leave and tax your taxes, talents, brains, skills and mind with you. Quite supporting the beast that's trying to destroy you.